Missileer

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Its a non profit organization run mainly by college acedemics from both liberal and conservative schools that specialize in both History but the teaching of history in school in America. So your allegations of being a 'think tank' are unfounded. Most political 'think tanks' are FOR PROFIT.

Its a unscientific survey of opinions (not a detailed analysis as you suggest) from people that know the field of American History much better than you or I, but I think the real problem is not the source but the fact you dont happen to like the conclusions they draw. Just because you dont like it doesnt make it bias.

As I stated earlier, I agree that in normal situations you need at least 5 decades to get a full analysis of a past President. But in certain situations, common sense can also be used. Just judging by the amount of bad things that happened in the USA coupled by a almost worldwide dislike for the Bush administration I dont think you'll need to wait the 5 decades to figure out History's conclusion unless the Bush Administration were to do a complete policy 180 degree turn in the next 3 years, which i think we all agree is highly unlikely.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Its a non profit organization run mainly by college acedemics from both liberal and conservative schools that specialize in both History but the teaching of history in school in America. So your allegations of being a 'think tank' are unfounded. Most political 'think tanks' are FOR PROFIT.

So far, I'm underwhelmed mmarsh, this better get more believable soon.
When the fact gatherer uses phrases like this, he seems to be presenting this article tongue-in-cheek rather than factual.
(Moreover, it seems likely that at least eight of those who said it is a success were being sarcastic,

Its a unscientific survey of opinions (not a detailed analysis as you suggest) from people that know the field of American History much better than you or I, but I think the real problem is not the source but the fact you dont happen to like the conclusions they draw. Just because you dont like it doesnt make it bias.

Unscientific is your words, not mine. If it has no merit, then it should not be used as the truth or even passing the smell test.

As I stated earlier, I agree that in normal situations you need at least 5 decades to get a full analysis of a past President. But in certain situations, common sense can also be used.

So, everyone but you is accused of not using common sense, is that a true statement?

Just judging by the amount of bad things that happened in the USA

What things, do you mean extraordinarily bad things or is that a generalization of things happening in the USA?

coupled by a almost worldwide dislike for the Bush administration

Are you completely sure or even comfortable with that statement? I mean have you polled almost worldwide, or is that an opinion?

I dont think you'll need to wait the 5 decades to figure out History's conclusion unless the Bush Administration were to do a complete policy 180 degree turn in the next 3 years, which i think we all agree is highly unlikely.

"I don't think" means to me that you have arrived at this conclusion yourself. "which I think is unlikely" is another phrase I'm forced to attribute solely to your opinion. That's okay, you're entitled to any opinion that you can come up with.

Dont be angry now!
Tts not a rant against Bushs ability to speak, infact i'm worse then he is with my dyslexia its just that i thought they had made quite a funny clip and cutit pretty good and put it here rather then making a new topic

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/presidential.html

Originally Posted by AlexKall

Dont be angry now!
Tts not a rant against Bushs ability to speak, infact i'm worse then he is with my dyslexia its just that i thought they had made quite a funny clip and cutit pretty good and put it here rather then making a new topic

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/presidential.html

You'll have to post it, my firewall recognizes the site you listed as containing inappropriate content and blocks it. I doubt that I would be angry but at the same time, I don't find your or anyone else's afflictions anything to poke fun at.

Originally Posted by Missileer

You'll have to post it, my firewall recognizes the site you listed as containing inappropriate content and blocks it. I doubt that I would be angry but at the same time, I don't find your or anyone else's afflictions anything to poke fun at.

Its a video so i doubt it would change if i post the direct link to it.

The guy has got his second term and will have to leave office at the end of it as these days there is no third term so he has nothing to work for. Lets face it I don't think he would be a big hit on the lecture tour, where most of the ex Presidents seem to wind up making a fortune.

I wasn't all that fond of him from the start and I think that beside a big mouth you do need brains to be president. And I am still waiting for a sigh he has those.... And since his re-election well.... Let's just say it hasn't gotten any better.

Originally Posted by Ted

I wasn't all that fond of him from the start and I think that beside a big mouth you do need brains to be president. And I am still waiting for a sigh he has those.... And since his re-election well.... Let's just say it hasn't gotten any better.

President Bush was a successful businessman, Governor, half owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team, Yale graduate with a BA in History.
Now, the fact that you don't like him is obvious but don't call him stupid for being a millionaire and having enough guts to make the hard decisions about when and who to go to war with. Two Nations who have never known any way of life except hardship and death have just installed a democratic Government and are very close to being able to rebuild their Nations because of the US and Allies while people like you toe the sand and complain with no ability or fortitude to try to help.

but,for us.We need help of US to against China.
If Japan doesn,t Build-up armaments, US must need more money to against china.

Our happy socialism already end.

Missileer

1. W was a terriable Business man. He sank the 3 oil companies he ran (Arbesto, Spectrum 7, Harken Energy) and if it wern't for Dads friends like Richard Rainwater he would have been totally ruined (and perhaps in jail on insider trading charges). He did make money with the Rangers but only because his Dad friends and the city of Arlington paid for most of the actually stadium construction, about $135 Million.

2. There is a difference between a real Yale Graduate who got in on merit and a good scholorship (such as my Dad) and somebody who went there because his father and grandfather were alumni and wealthy contributors to the school. My father knew him at Yale, and said he was totally disintrested in scholastics but not dumb. But it was clear to everyone he was there not on his own merit.

3. As for Governor, I cannot say. I'm not from Texas, but Im sure it depends who you ask. I know plenty of Texas Democrats who would take issue with Bush a "good Govornor".

4. I think Iraq is a LOOONG way from being called a Democracy, espically when you consider that the current govornment was picked by the US govornment. Do you really think the US would have allowed somebody it disliked to run for high office? For example somebody a Shiite with close ties to Iran? or what about a radical Islamist? Of course not, and I wouldnt blame the US either. But having the army pick candidates is not democratic. Its the same reason why Iran isnt a 'Republic' either. Personally I think the country is a hairs breath away from total Civil War. Calling the Iraqi govornment "democratic' with a "constitution" and "elections" will not stop for 1 second centuries ethnic hatred. As a metter of fact I would say their are better odds that Iraq will split into 3 in-fighting ethnic groups similar to what happened when Yugoslavia broke apart than a real democracy.