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Read more about Originally Posted by LeEnfield Many of the major wars have been over religion, even the Armada was over religion. Spain's invasion of the low countries was over religion,

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March 7th, 2009   #41
Partisan
 
 
LeEnfield, I agree with you, empire building is almost a natural evolution for countries as they seek to expand their sphere of influence. It used to be done soldiers, explorers & missionaries, nowadays it is done by financiers, bankers and accountants.

Do I believe GB was wrong to build its Empire - NO. Had it failed to do so other countries would've filled the void, were we the greatest rulers, probably not, but it is no use crying over spilt milk, we're talking about an era where might was right, so many countries changed hands after wars, it ws like a giant game of monopoly.

I do think that we need to be honest and accept that some of our reasons for Empire building were not quite humanitarian. Religion was used as a big part of that, either to sell expansion to Parlaiment or to justify its occurence. Fortunately as we develop into a more anti clericalist scoiety, that doesn't wash so much - so perhaps the truth will out? Eventually - Hopefully.
 
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March 14th, 2009   #42
gotcha1234
 
Yeah,it is one of the main reasons of the hatred in the balcans.
Although i don't believe in god.
 
March 14th, 2009   #43
Balkan-MiG
 
 
Oh good, I was worrying that you were a Ustasa.

And I agree with what you said, Muslims conflicting with Orthodox, Orthodox conflicting with Catholics.. Horrible.



And yes I know its a Su-34
 
March 15th, 2009   #44
In The Name Of Allah
 
Well in Islamic Religion , We Have the Jihad fe Sabel Allah , Which fighting in the Name Of Allah , And i Like it Bcuz we have to defend our Land , What Arab ( Us ) Do is Just Not Muslim we must fight to get Israel oUT BUT NOT IN THE wAY OF the Terrisom as the Last is Killing muslims And US not Israelis ,, and that is Wron in our reiligon
 
March 15th, 2009   #45
rattler
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ollie Garchy
Does Religion Contribute to War?

Of course it does. Why? War is a matter of civilization or of human organization. -snip-
I strongly disagree:

While religion might be an "officially featured" bit to motivate the solds, it is rarely the reason in the last 5 centuries...

Wars in the last 2k years (from the POV of ppl organizing/starting/"tool"izing them) have mainly/generally (a very few exceptions recognized) been about either 1. Territory, 2. Wealth/Ressources and 3rd: Power/Influence

Those might intersect, but from my POV these are the basic principles for wars to be fought until today, all the rest is just PR according to the times, prove me wrong.

Just to make clear what I am talking about, even todays asymetric stuff or even terrorist campaings like Al Kaida, IRA or ETA ones can be reduced to these factors.

Not too many mysteries IMHO.

Rattler


15M(ay): Noooobody! ...expects the Spanish Revolution!:
Update SEP 2011: Now reached US, called "Occupy Wall Street" and they claim they invented it. Thanks for learning from Spain!
 
March 16th, 2009   #46
Partisan
 
 
I agree with Rattler - although religion does get used as an excuse for war.

The more I examine this, I seem to find that since the Dark Ages, religion has been used as a pretext for war, but the perpetrators actually have ulterior motives. Then again I'm atheist, so I tend to regard most people as venal & self serving, using any label they can, just to get the job done - today I'm mostly cynical.
 
March 18th, 2009   #47
Balkan-MiG
 
 
Religion doesnt start war, it just mainly generates stereotype, racism and hate.

Something the world SERIOUSLY has to get rid of.
 
March 19th, 2009   #48
Del Boy
 
Yes - for example, Adolf Hitler and The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem were probably the closest political allies of WW11.


English by the grace of God.

 
March 19th, 2009   #49
MontyB
 
 
Yes but then Adolf Eichmann also facilitated the movement of a lot of European Jews to Palestine and Winston Churchill himself said that if Hitler ever invaded hell he would at least put in a good word for the devil perhaps the The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem prefered hell to the British.


Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. - Voltaire 1694-1778
 
March 19th, 2009   #50
Balkan-MiG
 
 
If you think about it, loss less people would have been killed in WW2 if we DIDNT have petty religions.

Hitler wouldnt have anything against jews, he wouldnt have been so ultra-nationalistic and I guess there would be half less reason to even fight any wars.
 



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