I was frustrated to hear such petty stupidity on MSNBC. Today on their show "The Last Word" they have slandered a 9/11 history cartoon for being "racist" for stating that the 9/11 Terrorists were in fact, Muslims. Lawrence O'Donnell explained how it is wrong to state the religion of someone who commits a crime, even if they do it in the name of that religion. This is the most disgraceful thing I have heard for a while from MSNBC. Not all Muslims are bad people, but you would be an idiot to ignore the fact that are enemies are for the most part, Muslims! It's like saying the Holocaust wasn't performed under the Ideology of Nazism ( not that I'm necessarily comparing Muslims to Nazis). This to me just shows me how much MSNBC really disgraces the USA with its childish political correctness and biases.

This is the link to the story and the video on "The Last Word" web site: http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...deo-yes-really

You cannot even begin to understand media PC, IMHO, until you come to Scandinavia. Even the tabloids are PG-13, and this is NOT about sex. I personally believe there is a difference between media reporting ethics and media PC. Also IMHO, (since I do not consider myself a media expert, just a mere observer), MSNBC, which is, after all, in spite of the generally known and tacitly accepted garden variety "liberal media bias" one can easily correct for, a reputable and mature media organization, was leaning more towards attempting to open up a debate regarding this media reporting ethics rather than to convey a PC message.

I am actually somewhat surprised that in Europe there hasn't been more soul searching within the media after the 22nd July 2011 mass murderous terrorist attack of the Kingdom of Norway...but what can you expect from "Academia" ?!

As an aside observation, I must say that I resented to a certain degree the Duke University expert opinion I heard a couple of days ago that the Norwegian psychopathic terrorist criminal was quite "influenced" by the American media just based on that list of persons and organisations linked to that pathological document that criminal authored. The reality is that he was more influenced by some Internet based sources, of which the American ones are indeed the oldest and most developed ones, but that does not mean that one can blame in an undue generalizing fashion the whole of American media, or even, as that particular expert seemed to imply by his totally careless choice of words, American political discourse & culture. That particular expert should ethically have been much more careful when generating his own 5 minutes sound bite.

I cannot emphasise more the need for clarity after a traumatic large scale incident. I also cannot emphasise more the need for all to learn, and attempt to be selectively critically discriminative when using the Internet for research or information, plus always double check who the heck is the "author" opining or reporting over there, and if in doubt, verify with other reputable info sources, such as established & mature "real" newspapers or TV channels, encyclopedias, scientific or scholarly journals & sites, etc., because:

1. there is much "junk" floating out there with absolutely no informative value;

2. the on-line medium "chatter" itself lends towards a certain background buzzing "noise" of mostly advertising based misinformation one always needs to correct for when attempting to actually learn something new, and subsequently formulate one's own opinions.

Lib bias in the Media, the fact that the Ft. Hood Major & the D.C. Sniper were both Moslem gets downplayed, but emphisizes the Christian orientation on the Norwegian Terrorist.

It's getting worse for many Christians in this day and age. Anything about God, Christ, etc... and we get hammered. But Muslims are subject to "racism" and "prejudice" so it gets downplayed now.

I will never understand how one religion can be subject to hate crimes and there's nothing wrong with it, mostly like nothing ever happened.
Another religion has the same crimes against them and they played over and over on the news.

Anyways, just an issue that affects many different people day in and day out, religion is only one example.

*on a side note, everyone notice how the minority has the say now? no more majority rules*

I give this example of what is taught in US Universities and Colleges, this is a seminar at the Mahindra Humanities Center of Harvard University in April 2011.

The seminar was titled - Soldiering: The Afterlife of a Modern Experience, and here are the published themes:

From “Cannon Fodder” to “Enhanced Survivability”: The Birth of the Vulnerable Soldier
• ‘Shell-Shock,’ PTSD and Mental Preparedness: Trauma Culture and Its Aftermath
• Army Alpha, Army Beta: Screening, Selection, and the Making of Military Kinds
• From Ethical Lapses to Professional Failings: Soldiering as a Vocation
• Enlightened Occupiers: From ‘Hearts and Minds’ to the Human Terrain Teams
• Armies for Hire: Privatized Defense and Corporate Warfare
• ‘Accidental Guerillas,’ Child-Soldiers, and Other Paramilitaries
• International Soldiers: Military Humanitarianism, Peace Corps, and Human Rights Training
• Identity Politics Goes to War: From ‘Blue Discharge’ to ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ and Beyond
• The Paris-Match Saluting “Negro” and Other Mythologies: the Soldier as Signifier
• Reorganizing the Military-Industrial Complex: New Media and Warfare Simulation

Notice every theme, except maybe the last, is negative. Is it any wonder that our media is biased?

Originally Posted by George

Lib bias in the Media, the fact that the Ft. Hood Major & the D.C. Sniper were both Moslem gets downplayed, but emphisizes the Christian orientation on the Norwegian Terrorist.

I would say that that was done purposely in the case of the Muslims, hoping that they could not use the fact that there was strong bias against them on religious grounds. As virtually no Muslim criminal or alleged terrorist could get an unbiased trial with today's attitudes.

I dunno where you get your news from, but I've seen no special attention paid to the fact the the Norwegian nutter was a Christian, except perhaps to show that he was not a Islamist fanatic.

Originally Posted by Big_T87

It's getting worse for many Christians in this day and age. Anything about God, Christ, etc... and we get hammered.

And why not. After all, we are 11 years into the 21st century, don't you think that it's time human beings took control of their lives and started acting like adults, instead of frightened animals with beliefs that have not advanced since the dark ages? In that respect Christians are no better than the Muslims.

I dunno where you get your news from, but I've seen no special attention paid to the fact the the Norwegian nutter was a Christian, except perhaps to show that he was not a Islamist fanatic.

The only news I know of is he referred to the Knights Templar of the Crusades. In all technicalities that is Christian, but he did not follow Christian values, his shooting spree and bombing proved that. He, like every belief system out there (including atheists, muslims, budhists, whatever it is.) was a fanatic to that belief. It's just like the Westboro Baptist here, they're a bunch of kooks who took one Bible verse and made that their belief.

And why not. After all, we are 11 years into the 21st century, don't you think that it's time human beings took control of their lives and started acting like adults, instead of frightened animals with beliefs that have not advanced since the dark ages? In that respect Christians are no better than the Muslims.

I'm not going to get into a religious discussion on here, but I do have a quote I want to post.

"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." -Thomas Aquinas



And going back to the main discussion, any type of media source is going to twist the story to their perspective. It doesn't matter if here in the states, it Left or Right wing media, I don't know if the BBC changes anything, I tend to pay attention more to them, due to American media being a bunch of bull half the time.

Originally Posted by Big_T87

The only news I know of is he referred to the Knights Templar of the Crusades. ---snip---

So the papers were merely reporting what he said? To me, and I should think. most logical people, that does not constitute christians "getting hammered". It is just reporting the facts.

Originally Posted by Big_T87

I'm not going to get into a religious discussion on here, but I do have a quote I want to post.

But you already have, by making a patently false allegation that special attention has been made to his admitted "christian" religious allegiance, over and above that attention given to Muslim nutters.

Originally Posted by Big_T87

"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." -Thomas Aquinas

There is a very logical answer to that. This piece of obfuscationist fancy was made by a follower of a belief that had not advanced since the Dark Ages. So I'll leave you with something a little more modern and i think a lot closer to the truth.

"Faith", is the last resort of those who do not wish to face the truth. - Friedrich Nietzsche, 1884 - 1900

But you already have, by making a patently false allegation that special attention has been made to his admitted "christian" religious allegiance, over and above that attention given to Muslim nutters.

I actually did not make that allegation anywhere in my text, you need to fully read and not take bits and pieces out.
I clearly stated the following:

Anyways, just an issue that affects many different people day in and day out, religion is only one example.

There are many situations where people get targeted, no matter what the case.

"Faith", is the last resort of those who do not wish to face the truth. - Friedrich Nietzsche, 1884 - 1900

I would like to know what "THE TRUTH" is. If you can clearly define the truth and state it as fact...
Maybe what he knew as truth was wrong? We won't know until we die. Even scientists aren't sure.

...made by a follower of a belief that had not advanced since the Dark Ages...

Why does a belief have to advance or change? Who says that what you believe isn't being changed or advancing in the wrong direction?

Originally Posted by Big_T87

I actually did not make that allegation anywhere in my text, you need to fully read and not take bits and pieces out.
I clearly stated the following:

Pardon? Here is your quote verbatim, please tel me how this does not state that christians are being given a hard time in relation to muslims. You clearly state that reporting on muslims gets downplayed whereas christians "get hammered"

Originally Posted by Big_T87

It's getting worse for many Christians in this day and age. Anything about God, Christ, etc... and we get hammered. But Muslims are subject to "racism" and "prejudice" so it gets downplayed now.

Originally Posted by Big_T87

I would like to know what "THE TRUTH" is. If you can clearly define the truth and state it as fact...
Maybe what he knew as truth was wrong? We won't know until we die. Even scientists aren't sure.

The truth is that which is left once the impossible has been ruled out.

Why does a belief have to advance or change? Who says that what you believe isn't being changed or advancing in the wrong direction?

Firstly, once you are dead, you won't know anything, as your brain will have ceased to function, the complete absense of neurological activity is proof of death.

Belief does not "have" to change, but if they do not advance and seek truth, you may as well have been born without any higher brain function, all you need is that which keeps you alive. If that is what being religious is about, count me out.

Can you name me one belief that has been shown to have "advanced in the wrong direction" (as you put it) for 2000 years?