DTOP

Always a pleasure Sir...

The answer is very simple, the democrats have been is disarray since the 2000 election. They cannot even agree amongst themselves (although that seems to be changing). For Iraq you have certain spineless Democrats who were to afraid too standup against the war such as (H.Clinton and Kerry) and you had others (Lieberman) who were Bush appeasers, and lastly you had the anti-war Democrats. The trouble for the first group is they realize they supported the wrong side of the issue and are trying desperatly to switch sides without look like hypocrites. Like Kerrys "I voted for the war after I voted against it" routine. It was pathetic.

I am not a fan of Howard Dean, but at least he's stuck to his guns...

Dems seem to have all kinds of opinions. They've voted for the war, then said it was a lie.

Regardless of all the opinion they voice, this one, I can explain. If you are informed about "facts" and you just had 9/11, it is easy to agree with war. When the dust settles and you find yourself in doubt about the truthfulness.... well it is all to simple to oppose the war you first sanctioned. You might even call it a lie.
I have no opinion about all the other complaints, because I don't know anything about it!

Originally Posted by mmarsh

DTOP

Always a pleasure Sir...

The answer is very simple, the democrats have been is disarray since the 2000 election. They cannot even agree amongst themselves (although that seems to be changing). For Iraq you have certain spineless Democrats who were to afraid too standup against the war such as (H.Clinton and Kerry) and you had others (Lieberman) who were Bush appeasers, and lastly you had the anti-war Democrats. The trouble for the first group is they realize they supported the wrong side of the issue and are trying desperatly to switch sides without look like hypocrites. Like Kerrys "I voted for the war after I voted against it" routine. It was pathetic.
I am not a fan of Howard Dean, but at least he's stuck to his guns...

Actually, the decline of the Democratic party started with the 104th Congress which was a Republican majority win in both Houses which had been controlled by Democrats since 1952. All of a sudden, they realized that they had no realistic agenda and a total lack of effective leaders. Their elder Statesmen whose roots went back to the KKK control of local politics, were devastated by the loss of power. They realized that there was no "new blood" in their party to organize a fight for retaking Congress. In short, they did not know how to follow after being leaders by relying on a block vote constituency.

The moral and political collapse of the left in America

Christopher Hitchens

http://www.washingtonprism.org/eng/s...icle.cfm?id=16

Amazing. I'm agreeing with Christopher Hitchens. Thanks for the post Phoenix.

I also don't think it was very nice for conservatives to 'swiftboat' him by suggesting he was a coward simply because he was honest about the sad state of affairs in Iraq.

One congressmans indirect assertion of Murtha being a coward does not mean all conservatives are labelling him a coward. Hes a hero and desrves to be treated as such even if i do disagree with his opinion.

If that same standard was applied to Democrats my gosh.

Originally Posted by Missileer

Amazing. I'm agreeing with Christopher Hitchens. Thanks for the post Phoenix.

No problem! I like Hitchens, no matter what!

Btw, he has an upcoming debate with Scott Ritter on 20th of December about the war in Iraq

I will try to keep you posted!

Originally Posted by phoenix80

No problem! I like Hitchens, no matter what!

Btw, he has an upcoming debate with Scott Ritter on 20th of December about the war in Iraq

I will try to keep you posted!

Thanks. I sure miss "Firing Line" with William F. Buckley. Here is one of my favorite articles by him on the very thing that is cussed and discussed on this forum pretty often.

http://www.nationalreview.com/flashb...0511170838.asp
On Dead-Red
By William F. Buckley Jr.

"Many arguments are nowadays posed, and opinions influenced, by gaudy references to the extent of the devastation that would ensue upon a thermonuclear exchange in a third world war. I have heard lecturer after lecturer describe in macrocosmic terms, almost as if they took pleasure in describing all that gore, the meaning for the United States of a thermonuclear attack on us by, say, ode hundred ten-megaton Russian missiles. I can hear the words of a man who spoke last week . . ."at
least a hundred million deaths . . .starvation and contamination for most of the rest of the population . . .reduction of our economy to a primitive level . . ." I shall spare you more, especially the description of the physical appearance of an incinerated child in Hiroshima. There are few things more gruesome."

The whole article is a must read for doomsday prophets and just people who appreciate common sense by a great wordsmith.

[quote=Rabs]One congressmans indirect assertion of Murtha being a coward does not mean all conservatives are labelling him a coward. Hes a hero and desrves to be treated as such even if i do disagree with his opinion.

Rabs

It didnt stop them from doing it to Kerry did it? I think the reason many conservatives backed off this time was because Schmitts remarks prevoked such outrage on the left.

One of the major errors made by Kerry last year was his failure to address the swiftboat people quickly enough. By the time he did the damage was done and his reputation was tarnished. It would seem the Demmies learnt from past mistakes...

If one observes the inner workings of the democratic party closely, it seems that the party infrastructrure has been so totally controlled by the party's far left wing, that in oder for a candidate to secure a democratic nomination, he/she must pander to the extreme left, and move so far out of the national mainstream that he/she is unelectable.

When Clinton was able "sneak in" as a center-left liberal, he won. Others have felt the need to publicly pander to the extreme left and lost. The election of Dean as chair of the DNC should prove beyond any doubt that the Neo-Marxist extremists have complete control of the party apparatus.

I see little hope that the democrats will return to the mainstream until their leaders have the courage to stand up to the labor unions, the minority extremists, and the fanatical gun control lobby. Standing up to the so-called United Nations would also help them wioth the American people.