DEMOCRACY GOING,GOING,GONE..


For those who believe in British sovereignty, this was a depressing day. The spectacle of Gordon Brown scuttling shiftily in and out of Lisbon to sign the European Reform Treaty was an apt conclusion to what has been a disgracefully dishonest saga. One thing is certain ; today Britain is a less democratic nation.
The treaty, as everyone admits, is the European Constitution by another name. The same constitution, in fact, on which Labour promised a referendum in its manifesto.
The Prime Minister has clearly made a cynical calculation that the damage done by reneging on that promise will be less than the embarrassment of a referendum campaign. He wasn’t prepared to ask the people, because he didn’t like the choice they would make.
So now we have a permanent president of the European Council; a European foreign minister implementing a European foreign policy; the loss of our veto over legislation in 61 areas; control of our borders passing to Brussels through a common immigration and asylum policy; a common defence policy and a European army; and a growing European police force.
In these areas, and the many others already surrendered, we have lost the link between Parliament and people. Most of our laws are made in Brussels, with Britain having little input, and no ability to call those who enacted them to account at the ballot box.
One morning, the British people will wake up and realize that because of sell-outs by successive British governments they no longer live in a true democracy.




*** At the moment we have our forces fighting wars, reputedly to establish democracies around the world , and at the same time letting our own democracy slip away like sand through the greasy palms of politicians serving their own greedy agendas.
Is it time to start taking them out and shooting them for treason. Is that the only way to gain their attention?

how loung until the UPE? (United Provinces of Europe)

It wont happen as no country will give up its borders, however a European union makes sense in terms of trade, law enforcement and environmental policies especially in a highly populated land mass that comprises many nations.

It is unrealistic in todays world to believe that the individual countries of Europe can go about there own business without it affecting their neighbours, the only question is how far these unions need to go to achieve these ends.

Originally Posted by The Other Guy

how loung until the UPE? (United Provinces of Europe)

Well - it was sold first as a common market and the politicians have committed us by deceit and without choice to a greater and greater degree of subserviance to unelected bodies with no accountability. The electorate only ever agreed to a common market entry and since have been refused any input. The EU is unashamedly corrupt and many believe it is controlled by The Mafia; it has not been possible to sign off the accounts for a great many years. Only Ireland is allowing their electorate a vote on signing up to the new 'non-constitution', because the governments the EU would get one big raspberry. It is a bureaucratic nightmare.

Meanwhile the Scandinavian countries have prospered in their free trade zone, retained their full sovereignty and maintained very high standards of life-style. There is a global free trade system out there waiting to be taken advantage of but we are being tied down into a bureaucratic empire for the benefit of politicians.

All of this might have been open to claims of respectability if only the electorates had been offered the opportunity to accept or refuse significant constitutional change.

What we have is severe imposition. It does not taste of democracy at all.


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