Originally Posted by Mark Conley

Its because of that potential 5th collum guys...since hitler doesnt have to worry about what hes going to do..hes going to take his time..get the bundist movement to upgrade their activitys...prepare the liners...and send the u-boats after our navy, to kinda whittle it down.

Hitler, take his time, yeah right, his Generals guaranteed him that if he waited 6 months they could win the war, and that could very well be true, but Hitler was impatient, he started the war before Germany was ready and Germany was ultimately overwhelmed. If he was successful after jumping the gun by six months he probably would have done the same thing against America, and we probably would have broken the German naval code because many of Britain's top spies and intelliegence officers, realising that Britain was doomed, probably would have dfected to the US.

The Nazi's who operated in America were a joke. They would have been insiginificant in this scenario. Once the homland was attacked, these people would have defended there home.

Originally Posted by GuyontheRight

The Nazi's who operated in America were a joke. They would have been insiginificant in this scenario. Once the homland was attacked, these people would have defended there home.

Where did that come from?

I did see something on History Channel about that though, their are now like 1 million Nazi's in America, and their numbers are growing, I think that is the number.

Were did that come from? It came from the fact that many of these so called "Nazi's" were first and foremost Americans who saluted the flag just as much they did the Swastika, if not more.

1 million, do you mean now or then? I couldn't belive we have that many now. That number is probably inflated with non-Nazi but Fascist sympathizing militia groups, etc...

Originally Posted by GuyontheRight

Were did that come from? It came from the fact that many of these so called "Nazi's" were first and foremost Americans who saluted the flag just as much they did the Swastika, if not more.

Yes I know that, but seemingly out of nowhere you brought up that fact, why?

I thought somone earlier brought up a point about Nazi's in the US helping the German military. Just wanted to establish that thats kinda absurd.

Originally Posted by GuyontheRight

I thought somone earlier brought up a point about Nazi's in the US helping the German military. Just wanted to establish that thats kinda absurd.

Oh, yeah, Hitler and the leader of the American Nazi Party met, Hitler didn't like him, but the Leader of the ANP came back and said Hitler appointed him as head of the ANP.

There is NO way that Germany could have defeated the US in WW2 , and it has less to do with military capability and more to do with productive capacity. We could outproduce Germany on a minimum 5 to 1 basis in tanks alone.

Originally Posted by SLR owner

There is NO way that Germany could have defeated the US in WW2 , and it has less to do with military capability and more to do with productive capacity. We could outproduce Germany on a minimum 5 to 1 basis in tanks alone.

It is a good thing to because that is that rate that we were losing tanks to Germany, I think that is it, all I know is that the Sherman was a terrible tank that was only good for A.) Mass Production and B.) Crossing open plains at a fast rate. It was not good for A.) Fighting other tanks or B.) Protecting the crew from a German AP round. They were death boxes. They could clear a German machine gun nest quite well but not much more.

Originally Posted by Mark Conley

well..my money would be on the germans defeating the US.

Its because of that potential 5th collum guys...since hitler doesnt have to worry about what hes going to do..hes going to take his time..get the bundist movement to upgrade their activitys...prepare the liners...and send the u-boats after our navy, to kinda whittle it down.

after waiting a few months, hes going to land the majority of his forces in mexico. striking at sparse middle of the US, hes going to secure his lines of march and strike west first. This at the time was very underdeveloped. hed be sure to take on and defeat the hub cities of san francisco and las angeles. once he had secured the west coast...he wait again..using force along the rockies to hold what he had...until more reinforcements came to the west coast and through mexico.



meanwhile...the bundists have been stiring up political trouble..and a little sabotage. war plants mysteriously burn down. certain leaders are assasinated. men taken into the armed forces creat problem there. Yes, there is a problem. The germans have the southwest. they have taken a tenth of the population hostage. using the hostages, they have planted them around their vital military areas: hit a site, kill some americans.

From here, its a stalmate. as long as the germans hold the passes and the west coast, they have a chance.

id say that after about a 3 year wait..the germans will be strong enough to push into the gulf reigon...go up the mississippi valley, and finally secure the great lakes reigon.

no 2/3s of the country is gone...the breadbasket and the ore used for industry are now in the germans hands.

maybee at this point...the americans might quit and surrender...i dont know.

ill have to think the rest of the scenario out tomorrow...

Thats one long supply line the Germans have here Mark!