Originally Posted by Missileer

The Libertarian in me says that the city can't make ordinances that are invasive to the right to privacy. But, the conservative part says that even though grownups have the right to practice adultry in their own homes, the neighborhood kids should not be exposed to such behavior by their elders who are supposed to set an example of morality. I had to agree with no. two, with some hesitancy.

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Concerning the conservative aspect.

But children aren't exposed. If the adults were doing this out in the open or were actively advertising their activities in neon lights then I might agree. All you see at a Swingers House are people coming in and going out, in fact you couldn't even tell the difference if they were swingers or people that give lots of dinner parties.

Incidentally, Swingers stay very discreet as they are anxious to preserve their own privacy. Its almost always "by invitation only" and after a selective screening process. If they do advertise (and often its strictly word-of-mouth) its almost always in media specifically catered for that sort of thing. Swinging isn't like prostitution thats live and in your face. Swingers are even more anxious to keep their activities private than society is.

I suspect this ordinance has more to do about imposing morality than it does of "protecting children". The excuse of "protecting children" has become a clever disguise for imposing a moral code on others.

One other thing. Sex is far less taboo in other western countries than it is in the USA. I would really which people would stop getting so worked up about such a perfectly natural activity. I am not saying to allow kids into peep shows, but I mean most kids watch the Discovery Channel don't they? Who cares is Janet Jackson shows abit of breast (for a split second) during a show? -This whole 'morality' business has gotten way out of hand.

Sorry guys - couldn't agree less.
Lack of morality is a symptom of decadence, the scourge of any society.


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That maybe true Del Boy, but trying to impose morality through legislation can't undo history and turn things back to the way they were when we were less decadent. This is like putting a band-aid on a broken bone.

I am appalled that such legislation was actually passed. While I find it a complete outrage, I do not think that the swinging is actually going on in the front yard during the day while the children are playing outside, or even with the curtains open.

I feel it is a total violation of a person's pursuit of happiness whether or not I agree. I would not want my neighbors to try to tell me how to live, as long as I was keeping to myself. Privacy is key here, maybe the people should not have let their neighbors know what was going on.

So if my neighbor is terrified of clowns and I have a huge clown party for my daughter and have the clown parade around the front yard, that would be just a bad. IMHO

My best friend from high school is terrified to death of clowns and would have nightmares if she was my neighbor and observed this. Everyone has the right to live how they want to in their home as long as no laws are being committed. It is better for people to get high off of sex than drinking and drugs.

Originally Posted by major liability

That maybe true Del Boy, but trying to impose morality through legislation can't undo history and turn things back to the way they were when we were less decadent. This is like putting a band-aid on a broken bone.

I'm not disagreeing with you there, Major, 'cos i was not espousing the cause of legislation or religious imposition at this stage. I was simply stating my position regarding a world with or without morality. Count it as my starting point for any later discussion which may or may not arise. I was not on my soap-box, just presenting my opinion for what it is worth.