Topic: Communism. 2

MontyB · March 24th, 2005

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Originally Posted by Xm 8

I just got done with a book called "Democracy versus Communism" and all I have to say is "Damn commies." Whats you take on communism?

Communism is a great system, its just a pity that it doesnt work.
Its biggest problem is its theories on equality which if implimented fully would lead to anarchy which is why there are now and never has been any genuine communist states only socialist ones.

Missileer · March 24th, 2005

Just read Dr. Zhivago by Boris Pasternak if you want to follow the slow death of a country by Communism. The book was banned in Russia for a good reason, even though it was a novel, it was based on truth.

chewie_nz · March 24th, 2005

correc me if i'm wrong (i'm trying to remember my high school history lessons!)

but isn't communism a stepping stone to true socialism? the idea being that you "give according to your ability and recieve according to your needs"

all well and good i would say, but the spanner gets thrown in the works during the communism stage where so few people have control over basically...everything. absolute power corrupts absolutely

WarMachine · March 24th, 2005

The problem with communism is that not everyone in the world is a communist. So when you try having a communist system, you'll inevitably be influenced by outside forces. This leads to paranoia in the soviet's case, and isolation in the chinese case. That's why capitalism and democracy tend to work better, they adapt to the systems of the world more easily. And that's also why china is adopting more free market reforms because they don't want to be like the former ussr.

behemoth79 · March 25th, 2005

only in a perfect world would true communism work. but in a perfect world there would be no need for communism. so it creates a situation where true communism will never exist.

thegrinch073 · March 25th, 2005

Communism only leads to anarchy. Adam Smtih put it best where people are guided by an "invisible hand" to serve their best good, and with communism you can never earn anything better so people will not be productive, figuring others will do the work.

WarMachine · March 25th, 2005

The main problem with real world communism is that party leaders are part of the hierarchy that get all the goods. That is not communism, so if their leaders cannot demonstrate what their ideology is suppose to be doing, what hope is there for the government to succeed?

the_13th_redneck · March 25th, 2005

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Originally Posted by Marksman

Communisam is something above human power can do,when someone mentions comunisam,u guys remember Stalin and some other creazy dictator,but u should think better,comunisam in its basic form is an utophia, the moto "take only how much u need,and give how much u can" is something that cant be achived only cuz human minds are too corrupted,needless to say that theory of comunisam was miss treated by many ppl and thats how we managed to get to hate it.Comuniasm is more than Stalin gentlemen.

Dusan

If it doesn't work, it's a bad system.
Your paragraph is what people who like the idea of communism but realize it doesn't work say as an excuse.
I think of it as a system that doesn't answer to the realities of the world. The human desires resources because having personal resources is the only thing that ensures personal power, which means one's ability to rule one's life.
How would you like it if some guy in a suit with a party pin knocked on your door and told you that the party has decided that you will work in a coal mine for the rest of your life?
Personal power = personal surival and freedom. And to have power, you need personal property.

MadeInChina · March 25th, 2005

communism puts emphasiztion on people's good deeds, sadly it doesnt work

for example, working in a state commune waking up at 11 and goign home at 5 with the motto( do as much as you can) isnt very efficient

Whispering Death · March 25th, 2005

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Originally Posted by chewie_nz

correc me if i'm wrong (i'm trying to remember my high school history lessons!)

but isn't communism a stepping stone to true socialism? the idea being that you "give according to your ability and recieve according to your needs"

You've got it wrong. Socialism is moving towards communism, which is why Americans are having a bit of an issue with the European socialist states right now. The theory of socialism is that you provide for the society and society gives back to you based on how much you provide. Communism says you do everything you can to provide for a society and society provides for you based on your needs.

March 24th, 2005	Post 12
Missileer Nuclear Duck Hunter Gear	Just read Dr. Zhivago by Boris Pasternak if you want to follow the slow death of a country by Communism. The book was banned in Russia for a good reason, even though it was a novel, it was based on truth. __________________ “War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.” —John Stuart Mill

March 25th, 2005	Post 15
behemoth79 Tribuni Angusticlavii	only in a perfect world would true communism work. but in a perfect world there would be no need for communism. so it creates a situation where true communism will never exist. __________________ si deum nobiscum, quis contra? AS LONG AS DIXIE STILL EXISTS,THIS COUNTRY WILL NEVER FALL

March 25th, 2005	Post 16
thegrinch073 Immunes	Communism only leads to anarchy. Adam Smtih put it best where people are guided by an "invisible hand" to serve their best good, and with communism you can never earn anything better so people will not be productive, figuring others will do the work. __________________ "Troops come first, last, and always. Never does your individual needs come before those of your men."

March 25th, 2005	Post 19
MadeInChina Primus Pilus	communism puts emphasiztion on people's good deeds, sadly it doesnt work for example, working in a state commune waking up at 11 and goign home at 5 with the motto( do as much as you can) isnt very efficient __________________ A signature is a little text that can be added at the bottom of the posts you make. It\'s limited to 300 characters (size 7 to 12) on 5 line(s) and 1 image(s) with none larger than 100x500 pixels and for a maximum of 20Kb. In your text, no more than 100 characters without space too.

March 24th, 2005	Post 13
chewie_nz Banned	correc me if i'm wrong (i'm trying to remember my high school history lessons!) but isn't communism a stepping stone to true socialism? the idea being that you "give according to your ability and recieve according to your needs" all well and good i would say, but the spanner gets thrown in the works during the communism stage where so few people have control over basically...everything. absolute power corrupts absolutely

March 24th, 2005	Post 14
WarMachine Primus Pilus	The problem with communism is that not everyone in the world is a communist. So when you try having a communist system, you'll inevitably be influenced by outside forces. This leads to paranoia in the soviet's case, and isolation in the chinese case. That's why capitalism and democracy tend to work better, they adapt to the systems of the world more easily. And that's also why china is adopting more free market reforms because they don't want to be like the former ussr.

March 25th, 2005	Post 17
WarMachine Primus Pilus	The main problem with real world communism is that party leaders are part of the hierarchy that get all the goods. That is not communism, so if their leaders cannot demonstrate what their ideology is suppose to be doing, what hope is there for the government to succeed?

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