Yeah, I don't agree with that line sunb! pulled out Doppleganger. Pound for pound the Waffenn SS did a hell of a lot of atrocities.

The Rape of Nanking deserves honorable mention. It wasn't on the magnitude of the German's Holocaust, but it was just as horrific. In six weeks, the Japanese murdered about 300,000 Chinese civilians and over raped 20,000 women, most of them killed shortly after.

Yeah, well, America firebombed Tokyo resulting in 550,000 civilian deaths.

Originally Posted by Whispering Death

Yeah, well, America firebombed Tokyo resulting in 550,000 civilian deaths.

We're talking about numbers in the millions. Also, that firebombing and Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved millions of lives on both sides.

Originally Posted by sunb!

Wasn't it so that the Wehrmacht "hated" the Waffen SS due to their brutality and unhumanity on the battle field both for enemy soldiers and civilians?

Well there was a lot of suspicion and distrust between the Waffen SS and the Wehrmacht initially. The Waffen SS were not highly regarded by Army Commanders in the beginning until they showed their mettle in combat. Thereafter they became highly prized as shock troops and a lot of the suspicion melted away. Many of the Army units (the rank and file soldier or the not particularly zealous Nazis for example) would have been unnerved and even disgusted by the intensity and lack of compassion of the premier Waffen SS formations in battle but many of the Army Panzer formations were as equally intense in combat, particularly because they (usually) had top-class commanders urging them on.

The intensity of the conflict in Russia dehumanized both sides quite quickly and acts that may have disgusted them in peacetime did not even cause them to blink an eye. Like killing helpless civilians because you couldn't be bothered to guard them for example. And in this the Wehrmacht were just as involved as the Waffen SS, although it's true that many of the Wehrmacht units would have played no part in war crimes at all.

Yeah, well, America firebombed Tokyo resulting in 550,000 civilian deaths

Not going to see any tears from me, Of course german genocide has to be up there along with some of Japans attrocities.

btw whispering were did you get that 555,000 number my history book says 300 thousand Japanese civilains killed total.

I don't think you can make some of these comparisons. War in itself is an atrocity. But, the killing off of an entire race and bombing a city are two completely different things.

Originally Posted by Rabs

btw whispering were did you get that 555,000 number my history book says 300 thousand jap civilains killed total.

History Channel special on history's deadliest weapons, that section was on the firebomb.

I would say that the worst genocide was Japan's Rape and Massacre of Asia. for someone youre age, killed 30 million Chinese, 1Million Koreans, and million of other ethnic groups in Asia, Stating that they were liberating Asia from Westernism. Very nasty things: Head chopping contests, Throwing Babies in air and impaling them with bayonets, stabbing bayonets in women's genitals until they died. ripping open stomaches of men, women and children and pulling their organs out and exposing them while they were fully concious, and last but not least, force sons to sleep with mother, fathers to sleep with daughters, and those who resisted were shot.
The Japanese also commited plundering and arson as well.


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I saw these Obvious at the WWII museum in Lushun... not too sure if they fall within the bounds of the rules here about posting pictures of a graphic nature you might wanna ask a mod.