I have only referred to you as ignorant ON THIS SUBJECT, as it affects Britain. There is no question here of religious hatred from the indiginous population, although of course Muslims are not flavour of the month right now. however, it is the brutal ideology of the Islamists which causes the problem.

And the villain in question is not a figure of fun, he is already wanted for very serious attacks in other countries.

So if I seem over -sensitive, that is to be expected. Britain is in no way the culprit of the piece.

There was no 'massive over-reaction 'from me, and I understand what you get at very well, which is what draws my reponse. If you find my responses over the top, then look to the content of your own posts .




(Edit - important and pleasurable add on here)-

NOW - THIS IS THE CHRISTMAS MESSAGE WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. THIS IS ALL WE ASK ( and I am not referring to the cricket!).:-



By JANE MERRICK - More by this author » Last updated at 00:29am on 28th December 2007

Muslims living in England should be proud to support the national cricket team and should celebrate the country they belong to, Britain's first Muslim Minister said last night.
Shahid Malik issued a call to the Islamic community to embrace, not reject, Englishness as part of their identity.
The International Development Minister said he did not endorse the "cricket test" proposed by former Tory Cabinet Minister Norman Tebbit. But he said he and many of his Muslim friends were enthusiastic fans of England's football and cricket teams.

Fly the flag: Shahid Malik says many Muslim cricket fans are happy to support England..

Muslims living in Britain enjoyed greater freedoms than anywhere in the Islamic world, the MP added..

He said it was "hardly surprising" that extremists did not accept Muslims as English if those minorities did not see themselves in that way.

Mr Malik said: "My message to young Muslims is 'Be proud to be English and don't let anyone steal your identity away. This is one of the greatest nations in the world and we should be proud to live here - let's shout about it a bit more'."

The Labour MP's comments will reignite the debate about what it means to be British, which has been spearheaded by Gordon Brown.
Lord Tebbit once claimed that the true test of an immigrant's loyalty was whether he would support England in a cricket match against his country of origin.
Mr Malik's family roots are in Pakistan, but he was born in Burnley, Lancashire, and he supports England's cricketers against Pakistan. He said: "I find quite a lot of Muslims who are now very enthusiastic supporters of the English football team.
"But supporting a team is not the true test of being English. It's about the country you consider your home, the place where you will raise your kids.
"I'm very proud to support the England football and cricket teams but I don't believe that is the defining element of your national identity."
Mr Malik said in his youth he backed "anyone but England" at sport "because I had a notion of Englishness coloured by what the BNP said".
It was when he visited Scotland and met Asians who wore the kilt and were proud to be Scottish that he embraced Englishness.
He said: "It was a liberating experience - I realised I could be proud to be English."
The MP now holds St George's Day coffee mornings in his constituency to bring together people from all minorities to celebrate a shared English identity.

"Englishness encompasses anyone who has an allegiance to this country, pays their taxes here, considers this their home. If you do these things, you are English," he said.

Mr Malik, who is getting married in the New Year, became the first Muslim member of the Government when he was appointed International Development Minister by Gordon Brown in July.
A former member of the Commission for Racial Equality, he has advised the Government on community issues. One of the four 7/7 suicide bombers was from his Dewsbury constituency.

Mr Malik added last night: "The rights and freedoms we enjoy in England and the UK are better than any other country in the world for Muslims, better than any country in the Islamic world."

The Minister warned it was up to British Muslims to stand up for democracy. "With these freedoms come responsibilities and we all need to speak out more if we see something that is not right, whether it's Islamic extremists or the BNP.


*** applause from Del Boy for this man.

I am actually aware that Jesus is an important figure in Islam. In fact, according to the teachings themselves, Jesus is still alive in heaven and will return to lead God's army when Armageddon rolls around. They don't call it Armageddon but it's basically the same thing.
But that has nothing to do with the message that terrorist gave to Britain on Christmas.
I too find it stupid that Snoop Dogg can't get a concert but a terrorist can stay in the UK. Maybe if Snoop Dogg converted to Islam he'd get a free ride in.
The last time I checked, inciting people and funding actions to cause actual bodily harm to innocent people was a bit worse than singing music with questionable ethics and values.