say that again

http://www.cdi.org/budget/2004/world...y-spending.cfm

United States 399.1
Russia* 65.0
China* 47.0
Japan 42.6
United Kingdom 38.4
France 29.5
Germany 24.9
Saudi Arabia 21.3
Italy 19.4
India 15.6
South Korea 14.1
Brazil* 10.7
Taiwan* 10.7
Israel 10.6
Spain 8.4
Australia 7.6
Canada 7.6
Netherlands 6.6
Turkey 5.8
Mexico 5.9
Kuwait* 3.9
Ukraine 5.0
Iran* 4.8
Singapore 4.8
Sweden 4.5
Egypt* 4.4
Norway 3.8
Greece 3.5
Poland 3.5
Argentina* 3.3
United Arab Emirates* 3.1
Colombia* 2.9
Belgium 2.7
Pakistan* 2.6
Denmark 2.4
Vietnam 2.4
North Korea* 2.1
Czech Republic 1.6
Iraq* 1.4
Philippines 1.4
Portugal 1.3
Libya* 1.2
Hungary 1.1
Syria 1.0
Cuba* 0.8
Sudan* 0.6
Yugoslavia 0.7
Luxembourg 0.2

and for Russia its in the year 2001, its much more now..

2004 World Wide Military Expenditures:


United States $466.0 billion
China $65 billion
Russia $50 billion


Source:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...d/spending.htm

GDP Ranking 2003



1 World $ 49,000,000,000,000
2 United States $ 10,400,000,000,000
3 China $ 5,700,000,000,000
4 Japan $ 3,550,000,000,000
5 India $ 2,660,000,000,000
6 Germany $ 2,184,000,000,000
7 France $ 1,540,000,000,000
8 United Kingdom $ 1,520,000,000,000
9 Italy $ 1,438,000,000,000
10 Russia $ 1,350,000,000,000

Source:
http://www.photius.com/rankings/gdp_2003_0.html

Yugoslavia 0.7

"Sweden 4,5 and take half there and put in to maintenance and storehouse for everything that isn´t thrown away or going directly to the rubbish incineration. The growing problem of bureaucracy and the high rate of taxation will be the Swedish armys doom." You don´t need a foregin enemy to kill an army anymore. sad on the same time


Cheers:
Doc.S

Countries are spending way to much on military. Why do countries need so many weapons when there just going to be obsolete and thrown out in 10 years... It would be like buying 500 muskets when in 5 years theres going to be the handheld gatling gun... Seems to me there really isnt much of a point. The government should spend more for helping people not killing them . . .

not that i am ungrateful for the information..but can you guys relate this military spending to the topic of the tanks somehow..or will i have to declare a sort of thing?

Originally Posted by Big_Z

I know the M1 cannon was designed in Germany i thought it was made there too. The M1 is an old ass tank, you guys are trying to compare it to brand new tanks. Americas new tank will be rolling out in the not to far future. No other current tank has come even close to proving itself like the M1. And wow im shocked you mean to say that an M1 has been destroyed?!?!?! Pretty much any tank will be destroyed if you hit it under the turrent from the side like the pcitures you showed. In desert storm I believe Iraq lost somthing around 3700 tanks and we lost 4, and i know one of them the driver had a siezure and it rolled off a cliff killing the entire crew. Also the Abrams uses a 1500 hp turbine engine pretty much all other tanks use diesels. Its the most powerful as well, its top speed is 45 mph only because anything fater then that and the tracks fall off. And to the guy who said Russia is constantly updating their tanks and America rarely updates, maybe its because we get the updates right the first time. The tank even being considered as the best in the 21st century from the 1970s is pretty impressive..... You guys are talking about tanks no older then the 90s some not even in production.


"The M1A1/2 Abrams main battle tank is manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS). The first M1 tank was produced in 1978, the M1A1 in 1985 and the M1A2 in 1986."

http://www.army-technology.com/proje...ams/index.html

Model KW /Ton Power output KW
M1 "Abrams"

A1 20.95 1100
A1(HA) 18.97 *
A2 17.60 *
A2 SEP 17.46 *

Leopard 2
A1-A3 19.82 *
A4 Pz87 19.82 *
Strv121 19.82 *
A5 18.43 *
Strv122 18.12 *
A6 18.87 1170


Speed Farward
Model Kph Mph
M1 "Abrams"

A1 70 43
A1(HA) 67 41
A2 67 41
A2 SEP 65 40

Leopard 2
A1-A3 75 47
A4 Pz87 75 47
Strv121 75 47
A5 70 43
Strv122 70 43
A6 72 45


Sorry didnt take the Russian moddels (takes to long to write all this, i will supply it if asked)

Forum screwed it up

First colum is KW /TON the second is Power output KW

On speed the first colum is Kph and the second colum is Mph

Its off topic but i laugh when i see those military expenditures.
World $950 billion 2004 est. [see Note 5]
Rest-of-World [all but USA] $500 billion 2004 est. [see Note 5]
United States $466.0 billion FY04 actual [see Note 8]
Im glad to be an American

I was wrong about the power output of other tanks the info i was posting was what i learned a long time ago so it was outdated. But the Abrams was making 1500 hp in 1978, other tanks from that era were around half of that. Also that website i posted said somthing at the end about the m1a2 getting a boost in power so it might actually be higher then 1500. I also doubt that their is a tank faster then the abrams because like i said before after 45 mph the tracks fall off.

Jane's Defense Weekly, a respected Britain-based military journal, said the People's Liberation Army is set to deploy a new main battle tank, or MBT, that, when fielded, will become the most powerful of its kind in the world.

The Type-98 nonetheless demonstrates that the PLA is capable of producing a world-class MBT.

Status: T-98 already in service, T-98Gai(Improved version) in production. PLA are also producing T-99. T-2000 in design.


PLA T-98 Main Battle Tank Specifictions:

Weight: 51 tons
Engine: 1,200hp diesel
Power to weight ratio: 23.5hp/ ton
SPEED: 60 km/h
RANGE: 450km
Armor: Frontal arc of turret in RHA: KE Round, 700mm, T-98Gai, 830mm; CE Rnd: 800mm, T-98Gai, 1060mm
Armament:
MAIN GUN: 125mm smoothbore cannon/missile launcher, 41 rnds; PENETRATION: KE, 800mm; 960mm reported w/ new DU rnd, CE, 680mm est; 9M119 REFLEKS (AT-11 Sniper) gun-launched laser-guided anti-tank missiles, 5km range; 1 x 12.7 mm MG


M1A2 Specifications:

Weight 69.54 tons
Propulsion Gas turbine engine, 1500 horsepower
Power-to-weight ratio 21.6 hp/ton
Performance
Maximum governed speed 42 m.p.h.
Speed cross country 30 m.p.h.
Range 265 miles cruising
Main armament 120 mm smooth bore cannon, M256
Coaxial Weapon 7.62 mm machine gun, M240
Loader's Weapon 7.62 mm machine gun, M240, on Skate mount