Topic: China has a aircraft carrier! 4

Whispering Death · January 26th, 2005

ha ha, well at this point we're just arguing semantics. I just liked the guy who said if you look at the subject of carriers from another angle, the aircraft carriers from all the other countries of the world the U.S. calls Amphibious Assault Ships

Knightraptor · January 26th, 2005

So that means...It's all relative!!

the_13th_redneck · January 26th, 2005

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Originally Posted by Whispering Death

ha ha, well at this point we're just arguing semantics. I just liked the guy who said if you look at the subject of carriers from another angle, the aircraft carriers from all the other countries of the world the U.S. calls Amphibious Assault Ships

Yup I've mentioned this earlier.

deathmonkey · January 29th, 2005

actually, china has two. one of which is in a lake, built for who knows why. I've been on the one in the lake, and its a proper aircraft carrier, with the landing strip and everything. I live in shanghai, and i have to say, china is odd, annoying, and worst of all, communist.

the_13th_redneck · January 29th, 2005

A LAKE??? Maybe they felt it was the best place to train a crew on the usage of an aircraft carrier without causing a stir overseas. Then again if you wanted to do that, it would be perfectly possible to just "build" an aircraft carrier into the ground. Meaning You make the ground the deck, and you create everything that the ship would have below deck, underground.
Who knows maybe they wanted to practice building an actual one as well.

Whispering Death · January 29th, 2005

Yeah, the Kiev is an ex-soviet carrier built in 1975 that the Chinese bought through the South Koreans and now have built into a floating museum.

It's actually so popular that another Chinese firm bought the 1978 Soviet carrier the Minsk that is now a in theme park equiped with resturaunts, nightclubs, and even a swimming pool in Beiyang Harbor.

Most interestingly is the Ukranian (former USSR) carrier Vayarg which was 70% complete in 1992 when the soviet Union collapsed. The Chinese bought it in 2002 suposedly to be made into a casino. It is currently under heavy guard out of public view at Dalian Shipyards for its 'retrofit' into a casino although due to many very odd circumstances surrounding the ship, most naval annalysts believe its primary function is to be used for Chinese R&D into carriers.

the_13th_redneck · January 29th, 2005

Those carriers could easily be stripped of those things and used as carriers if need be, but they would only be able to carry obsolete aircraft or top of the line helicopters at best.

Whispering Death · January 29th, 2005

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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

Those carriers could easily be stripped of those things and used as carriers if need be, but they would only be able to carry obsolete aircraft or top of the line helicopters at best.

Not really. They need powerplants, turbines, C&C, sensors, weapons, elevators, maintainence equipment, electronics, and not to mention repairs to make the darn things seaworthy and battleworthy.

The Chinese looked at retrofitting an old soviet carrier in the 90s but that turned out to be a dead end and found those carriers are only good for R&D for a future domestic carrier.

the_13th_redneck · January 29th, 2005

As I mentioned before, this is if you want a full scale carrier. You can simply use it as a flight deck and aircraft maintenance vessel which is assigned to work with a more sophisticated ship.

I don't know if they have stripped it of the powerplants... but if they did, the question would be where did they put them? And can they be refitted in working condition? Or can new ones be installed within two months?

It must be sea worthy, or else they can't have it floating around as a casino.

Basically if it's REALLY required, it can be done. I think the Chinese felt that if they needed a carrier, they'd look for a real one and not these ancient things.

MadeInChina · January 31st, 2005

turning the carriers into a money making scheme is a great idea, just imagine the profits

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January 26th, 2005	Post 31
Whispering Death Tribuni Angusticlavii Gear	ha ha, well at this point we're just arguing semantics. I just liked the guy who said if you look at the subject of carriers from another angle, the aircraft carriers from all the other countries of the world the U.S. calls Amphibious Assault Ships

January 26th, 2005	Post 32
Knightraptor Immunes	So that means...It's all relative!!

January 29th, 2005	Post 34
deathmonkey Tirones	actually, china has two. one of which is in a lake, built for who knows why. I've been on the one in the lake, and its a proper aircraft carrier, with the landing strip and everything. I live in shanghai, and i have to say, china is odd, annoying, and worst of all, communist.

January 29th, 2005	Post 35
the_13th_redneck No Chance Outside Gear	A LAKE??? Maybe they felt it was the best place to train a crew on the usage of an aircraft carrier without causing a stir overseas. Then again if you wanted to do that, it would be perfectly possible to just "build" an aircraft carrier into the ground. Meaning You make the ground the deck, and you create everything that the ship would have below deck, underground. Who knows maybe they wanted to practice building an actual one as well.

January 29th, 2005	Post 36
Whispering Death Tribuni Angusticlavii Gear	Yeah, the Kiev is an ex-soviet carrier built in 1975 that the Chinese bought through the South Koreans and now have built into a floating museum. It's actually so popular that another Chinese firm bought the 1978 Soviet carrier the Minsk that is now a in theme park equiped with resturaunts, nightclubs, and even a swimming pool in Beiyang Harbor. Most interestingly is the Ukranian (former USSR) carrier Vayarg which was 70% complete in 1992 when the soviet Union collapsed. The Chinese bought it in 2002 suposedly to be made into a casino. It is currently under heavy guard out of public view at Dalian Shipyards for its 'retrofit' into a casino although due to many very odd circumstances surrounding the ship, most naval annalysts believe its primary function is to be used for Chinese R&D into carriers.

January 29th, 2005	Post 37
the_13th_redneck No Chance Outside Gear	Those carriers could easily be stripped of those things and used as carriers if need be, but they would only be able to carry obsolete aircraft or top of the line helicopters at best.

January 29th, 2005	Post 39
the_13th_redneck No Chance Outside Gear	As I mentioned before, this is if you want a full scale carrier. You can simply use it as a flight deck and aircraft maintenance vessel which is assigned to work with a more sophisticated ship. I don't know if they have stripped it of the powerplants... but if they did, the question would be where did they put them? And can they be refitted in working condition? Or can new ones be installed within two months? It must be sea worthy, or else they can't have it floating around as a casino. Basically if it's REALLY required, it can be done. I think the Chinese felt that if they needed a carrier, they'd look for a real one and not these ancient things.