About China aids Iran's tactical missile programme Page 3
|November 14th, 2004||#21|
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Wat's wrong with sentence criminals to hell? You prefer to feed them in prison like Kings? Or USA does not sentence criminal to death?
And U said:
From Corporals to Generals. Rising Dragons of Middle Kingdom.
|November 14th, 2004||#22|
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LOL! Oh well, I tried to get arab side.
Anyways, the point was how many China executes, not to abolish it. He asked for proof, that's all I did.
\"The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come. When in a state of security he does not forget the possibility of ruin. When all is orderly, he does not forget that disorder may come. Thus his person is not endangered, and his States and all their clans are preserved.\"
|November 14th, 2004||#23|
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Hehe, I'm glad to see that this thread has gone so far and remained civil. That's all good.
What I wish to comment may seem off topic, but it does relate to part of the discussion concerning some universal values as seen from different perspectives.
As someone who had lived in the US (and who loved the country and almost everything there), I had been Westernized to the point that I started to think that China probably should start to abolish the death penalty. For according to many Western studies, death penalty has proven not being able to reduce crimes... And of course, life is precious and only God has the right to take it, as most on this board would hurry to acknowledge that.
But when I stand on the Chinese soil and live the life of over a billion Chinese, when I see the kind of corruption and crimes (by which I refer to any crimes as defined by China's law), and the populace's overwhelming sentiment against all these, I start to believe that death penalty is a necessity in China at this stage of its development. The rationale? If it does not serve to reduce crimes, it at least serves as a catharsis for the law-abiding people and a safty valve for the government.
|November 14th, 2004||#24|
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Scenario.I drink beer while Iran nukes Israel.Our forces are not going to invade anyone while China backs Iran for oil. Europe just wants peace, Russia sings Putin On The Ritz. The long term goal of the a_rabs is to oust Isreal.Got second Strke? Ugly.
|November 14th, 2004||#26|
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And why does everyone assume that the US is scared of China? We fought you to a stand still in Korea against overwhelming numbers and we can do it again, only better, plus China no longer gets all these nice new toys from Russia for free anymore, no, the US has proved twice in Iraq that we are not scared to intervene in the middle east, and since Iran is next they are really going to need to increase their arsenal if they hope to stand up to the might of the United States Armed Forces, remember, before Desert Storm, Iraq had the fourth largest Army in the world and it was battle hardened, after 10 years of fighting with Iran, yet we destroyed their military while only losing 148 American lives, the gap between one and four was that big, so, using Iraq as a model I feel confident in saying that once the UN finally gets moving they will come ask the US for aid in invading Iran, something which the US proposed over a year ago and the UN is finally starting to consider, and we will destroy the Iranian military just like we did Iraq. Iraq had some of the newest weapons that the USSR could produce and yet we went in there and destroyed it, Iran, Syria, North Korea, China, we could do the same.
Please note that 98% of what I say is my opinion and/or my "version" of the facts. Most of what I say is rumor with little to no evidence to back it up, just something I picked up somewhere.
|November 14th, 2004||#27|
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Lets get back to topic here.
Several years ago, China agreed that they will halt all missile imports to Iran. Unfortunately, the agreement is ineffective now. Why? Well Asskicker pointed out something very important.
\"When you kill one, it is a tragedy. When you kill ten million, it is a statistic.\"
- Joseph Stalin
|November 14th, 2004||#28|
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China PAID every single weapon from Russia after Korea War.
And this has contributed ALOT to Chinese people disliking Russians, since the Korea War is Communism vs Capitalism, yet Russia didn't want to contribute what she should contribute.
Yesterday on Chinese TV it was about Korea War, during the 3 years and 33 days Korea War, Chinese government put 45% of her total Government Budget into War, that damaged a lot to Chinese economy, since China at that was just 1 year after the 8 years China/Japan war and 4 years Civil War.
|November 14th, 2004||#29|
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Back to main topic.
I'm surprised that Janes was able to confirm this. This would cause serious concerns within the Pentagon. But, in my point of view, this is no big deal since the Iranians already obtained scuds from Russia and Imported Chinese Missiles. This trade have been going on quite a while and does not give a country's authority to forcefully disarms these weapons if they contain conventional warheads.
If these missiles contain Warheads that fit within the WMD category...then that's a different story.
|November 14th, 2004||#30|
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