Topic: Chicks and Guns. 2

Ted · May 24th, 2006

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Originally Posted by bulldogg

Well that explains a lot...

I am afraid I can't follow you on this one, what does it explain? I believe in the scare-factor of large barrels attached to heavy hand-artillery.... even if the proprietor can't shoot diddly squat!

bulldogg · May 24th, 2006

It explains that puddle under your chair...

Ted · May 24th, 2006

hahahahaha, can you smell it all the way overthere?? (Aren't we sort of hijacking this thread...)

bulldogg · May 24th, 2006

The reason I went for internal hammer and snub-nose was for ease of use. It has nothing to snag on and the shortened barrel is enough for close encounters of the scumball kind. And also being a revolver as opposed to an automatic it doesn't require someone to chamber a round before use. It is common knowledge many women have difficulty mustering the strength to chamber a round on many models of automatic.

I also whole-heartedly endorse PJ's advice of taking this dear person down to a gunshop and if not fire, at least handle a variety and see what fits.

Ted · May 24th, 2006

Me too!

5.56X45mm · May 24th, 2006

Since it's a house gun. The size of the weapon isn't that much of a problem./ No need to conceal it.

If she's new to shooting and firearms, the 9X19MM Parabellum is perfect for self defense and new shooters.

As for the type of firearms she can use.

GLOCK 17
GLOCK 19
GLOCK 34
Ruger P89
Ruger P95
S&W Sigma
S&W M&P 9mm
S&W 910
CZ-75
Beretta 92FS
Beretta PX4 Storm
Sig Sauer P226
Sig Sauer P229
Walther P99
Taurus 24/7

These are all large frame (Duty Size) Pistols. The main reason why these are good is because they are all in 9mm and I think that a woman will shoot very well with a duty pistol. The weight of the pistol will help reduce felt recoil.

If you want a Revolver

S&W Model 10 .38 Special
S&W Model 64 .38 Special
S&W Model 619 .357 Special
Taurus Model 65 .357 Magnum
Taurus Model 82 .38 Special
Ruger GP100 .357 Magnum

The .357 Magnum/.38 Special is also well suited for home self defense.

But the best tool is a Remington 870 Magnum or Mossberg 590 in 12 Gauge.

Pistol ammunition can go thourgh Dry Wall, and since she lives in an apartment. Since she has neighbors being seperated by dry wall. a stray round could be a problem. If she is going to use a pistol for self defense. She should use Glaser Safety Slugs or Fragmented Ammunition to reduce the chance of a round going through dry wall.

With a shotgun, if you use the right ammunition. She can futher reduce the chance of a round or pellet going through dry wall.

Missileer · May 24th, 2006

http://www.notpurfect.com/main/snub.html

My favorite carry pistol is the S&W .38 Special detective special. I use wadcutters but if I wanted a sure kill, I'd go the hollow nose route. As for accuracy, that's up to the person holding the gun, S&W takes care of the rest. Lady Smith sounds like a pretty good little pistol, made to fit small hands but with the same .38 Special round. Take a look at some of these little gems. Remember, the J frame is a 5 shot.

Doug97 · May 24th, 2006

Glock 26

godofthunder9010 · May 24th, 2006

Well, if you want something cheap to load, there's nothing with cheaper ammo than a .22 of any kind. Then again, there's also not a whole lot else good to say about them except that ANYONE can shoot them. They can in fact kill someone, but I'd not make any bets. Then again, if all you want is a deterent, someone with a .22 slug buried in them isn't going to in much of a mood to give you much trouble. Still, if you're really strapped for cash and need to practice up on shooting, it's a decent poor man's handgun. The trouble is usually finding decent ammo. A good chunk of the .22 shells out there are pieces of crap.

As for what I'd take, most likely it's several sizes of Glock to cover all occasions. For a lady's gun? Find her a 9mm that works for her I figure.

moving0target · May 24th, 2006

I already considered the CZ52 since I have a few. It's a great pistol, especially for the price tag. The drawback is that it has one of the sloppiest trigger pulls I've experienced. The later CZ's improved drastically thankfully. I also considered a VZ70, but I'm aiming more for 9mm. She's had a bit of experience with the Baretta 92FS from her participation in the local police department Explorers program, but it isn't really a comfortable pistol for her since it's full frame.

Thanks for all the suggestions 5.56 (everyone else, too). I poked around a bit on the list you provided. Boy do I feel like a babe in the woods. As me about firearms from WW I through the Cold War, and I can answer questions with the best of them. Seems I miss a year or two of development, though. Just from looking around the web, I've settled on either the Glock 26 or the Walther P99C. I will, of course, have to take the little lady to a store or two to have a look. One of the shockers to me was price. I'm used to buying up Czech pistols for a $100 or so. Seeing Sig Sauers price at almost a grand sort of surprised me. The MSRP on the Glock and the Walther are in the more reasonable $600 range. Again my inexperience in newer arms is a bit of a handicap since the latest Walther I've fired is the P38.

I do like the shotgun idea. I doubt she would, though. She's fired whatever 12 gauge is issued to the local law and it wasn't a pleasant experience for her.

I guess we'll do a bit of shopping over the weekend. There's a local shop that rents just about anything short of antitank weapons so I'm pretty sure they'll have something to look at.

May 24th, 2006	Post 12
bulldogg Milforum's Bouncer Gear	It explains that puddle under your chair... __________________ "The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental." - John Steinbeck

May 24th, 2006	Post 16
5.56X45mm 100% Space Shuttle Door Gunner Gear	Since it's a house gun. The size of the weapon isn't that much of a problem./ No need to conceal it. If she's new to shooting and firearms, the 9X19MM Parabellum is perfect for self defense and new shooters. As for the type of firearms she can use. GLOCK 17 GLOCK 19 GLOCK 34 Ruger P89 Ruger P95 S&W Sigma S&W M&P 9mm S&W 910 CZ-75 Beretta 92FS Beretta PX4 Storm Sig Sauer P226 Sig Sauer P229 Walther P99 Taurus 24/7 These are all large frame (Duty Size) Pistols. The main reason why these are good is because they are all in 9mm and I think that a woman will shoot very well with a duty pistol. The weight of the pistol will help reduce felt recoil. If you want a Revolver S&W Model 10 .38 Special S&W Model 64 .38 Special S&W Model 619 .357 Special Taurus Model 65 .357 Magnum Taurus Model 82 .38 Special Ruger GP100 .357 Magnum The .357 Magnum/.38 Special is also well suited for home self defense. But the best tool is a Remington 870 Magnum or Mossberg 590 in 12 Gauge. Pistol ammunition can go thourgh Dry Wall, and since she lives in an apartment. Since she has neighbors being seperated by dry wall. a stray round could be a problem. If she is going to use a pistol for self defense. She should use Glaser Safety Slugs or Fragmented Ammunition to reduce the chance of a round going through dry wall. With a shotgun, if you use the right ammunition. She can futher reduce the chance of a round or pellet going through dry wall. __________________

May 24th, 2006	Post 17
Missileer Nuclear Duck Hunter Gear	http://www.notpurfect.com/main/snub.html My favorite carry pistol is the S&W .38 Special detective special. I use wadcutters but if I wanted a sure kill, I'd go the hollow nose route. As for accuracy, that's up to the person holding the gun, S&W takes care of the rest. Lady Smith sounds like a pretty good little pistol, made to fit small hands but with the same .38 Special round. Take a look at some of these little gems. Remember, the J frame is a 5 shot. __________________ “War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.” —John Stuart Mill

May 24th, 2006	Post 19
godofthunder9010 Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	Well, if you want something cheap to load, there's nothing with cheaper ammo than a .22 of any kind. Then again, there's also not a whole lot else good to say about them except that ANYONE can shoot them. They can in fact kill someone, but I'd not make any bets. Then again, if all you want is a deterent, someone with a .22 slug buried in them isn't going to in much of a mood to give you much trouble. Still, if you're really strapped for cash and need to practice up on shooting, it's a decent poor man's handgun. The trouble is usually finding decent ammo. A good chunk of the .22 shells out there are pieces of crap. As for what I'd take, most likely it's several sizes of Glock to cover all occasions. For a lady's gun? Find her a 9mm that works for her I figure. __________________ "It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it." - General Robert E. Lee Warning, critical pebkac error in the iD10t!! pebkac\wtflolurpwnzd\snafuroflmao.exe called iD10t, iD10t failed to respond!! System in danger!! "It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man." -Chevy Chase

May 24th, 2006	Post 13
Ted Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	hahahahaha, can you smell it all the way overthere?? (Aren't we sort of hijacking this thread...)

May 24th, 2006	Post 14
bulldogg Milforum's Bouncer Gear	The reason I went for internal hammer and snub-nose was for ease of use. It has nothing to snag on and the shortened barrel is enough for close encounters of the scumball kind. And also being a revolver as opposed to an automatic it doesn't require someone to chamber a round before use. It is common knowledge many women have difficulty mustering the strength to chamber a round on many models of automatic. I also whole-heartedly endorse PJ's advice of taking this dear person down to a gunshop and if not fire, at least handle a variety and see what fits.

May 24th, 2006	Post 15
Ted Tribunus Laticlavius Gear	Me too!

May 24th, 2006	Post 20
moving0target Primus Pilus Gear	I already considered the CZ52 since I have a few. It's a great pistol, especially for the price tag. The drawback is that it has one of the sloppiest trigger pulls I've experienced. The later CZ's improved drastically thankfully. I also considered a VZ70, but I'm aiming more for 9mm. She's had a bit of experience with the Baretta 92FS from her participation in the local police department Explorers program, but it isn't really a comfortable pistol for her since it's full frame. Thanks for all the suggestions 5.56 (everyone else, too). I poked around a bit on the list you provided. Boy do I feel like a babe in the woods. As me about firearms from WW I through the Cold War, and I can answer questions with the best of them. Seems I miss a year or two of development, though. Just from looking around the web, I've settled on either the Glock 26 or the Walther P99C. I will, of course, have to take the little lady to a store or two to have a look. One of the shockers to me was price. I'm used to buying up Czech pistols for a $100 or so. Seeing Sig Sauers price at almost a grand sort of surprised me. The MSRP on the Glock and the Walther are in the more reasonable $600 range. Again my inexperience in newer arms is a bit of a handicap since the latest Walther I've fired is the P38. I do like the shotgun idea. I doubt she would, though. She's fired whatever 12 gauge is issued to the local law and it wasn't a pleasant experience for her. I guess we'll do a bit of shopping over the weekend. There's a local shop that rents just about anything short of antitank weapons so I'm pretty sure they'll have something to look at.