About Cantabrian Wars
|April 6th, 2005||#1|
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Cantabrian Wars info
Silio Italico in his Punica narrate the fighting against the gigant Laro, the Cantabrian leader, and the brother of Scipio.
The Cantabrians´ army were less in number, most of them light infantrymen, and known the roman´s tactics so they avoided pitched battles and frontal asssaults so they used skirmishing and guerrila warfare harassing the romans with ambushes, forcing Augusto to camp. The chieftain Corocotta (“Old Warrior”) presented himself to Augusto to require the reward (250.000 sexterci) that Augusto had put for his head; Augusto paid and let him go free. Antistio advanced into Cantabria and defeated the Cantabrians in a battle in a city, today not found, called Bergidum, Bergida, Uellica o Attica, depending on the classic authors. The survivors took refuge in Vindio mountain in where the Cantabrians said that “the waves of the ocean arrives before to this mountain than the romans´ arms”: romans sieged them and winter and hungry killed the warriors.
In 19 B.C., the Cantabrians who had been enslaved, killed their masters, returned to Cantabria and rose the inhabitants again; fortified some oppidum and attacked the roman´s garrisons, getting several victories like the one over the Legio I Augusta, capturing some standards eventhough the aquila. To be defeated by a people few in number became a shame to the Legion so it was punished by Agrippa and lost the title “Augusta”. It was hard but Agripa recovered the moral of his troops and defeated the Cantabrians with a great cost of losses. Then become the genicide: all the men, who were able of using weapons, that were captured were inmediatly crucified. Strabo wrote some cruel episodes: a group of prisoners that were going to be crucified sang their war cries until they died; a young prisoner threw himself into a bonfire when his guards were drunk; the mothers killed their children before suiciding themselves; an armed child killed his captured family (his father ordered him). Agrippa returned to Rome the lost standards and rejected to celebrate his triumph.
Three years later, in 16 B.C., the Cantabrians rose again for the last time against Rome. In Tiberian´s armies, the Cantabrians fought already as auxiliares. Thre are several tombstones of Cantabrians all around the Roman Empire. In IV-V centuries the Cantabrians regained his freedom but lost it again in VI century against the visigoth king Leovigildo after several risings. In VIII they formed the latest stand agains the arab invasion of Hispania and finally adopted the christianism and the latin as their language.
The celtic simbol above is the simbol of my ancestors.
“The waves of the ocean arrives before to this mountain than the romans´ arms”
Corocotta, Cantabrian warrior (century I B.C)
|April 6th, 2005||#2|
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Interesting history of your people. I never understood why they fail to mention at least one roman battle in the history books anymore. All they talk about is the influence they had later on in europe. Any info on where i could get more information on obscure areas like this during the empire?
|April 6th, 2005||#3|
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Many out there fail to realize there virtually all of Western Europe was Celtic anciently. Rome and Carthage and others had to conquer and/or displace the ancient Celtic peoples before they ever were able to come into existence as the nations they are today. Today, only Ireland is controlled by the Celts, but the entire continent is covered with Celtic peoples. Many are mixed. Most do not remember their Celtic heritage and haven't a clue that it is part of their ancestry.
Its an interesting account staurofilakes. Not nearly as well document nor as told as the account of Julius Caesar's conquest of the Celts in modern France, under Vercengetorix. The great tragedy, in my estimation, is that the Celts were absolutely lousy at uniting for a common cause until it was already too late.
"It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it."
- General Robert E. Lee
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|April 6th, 2005||#4|
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And even many of those who do know something about the ancient Celts have no idea that they stated out in Asia Minor.
|April 7th, 2005||#5|
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|April 7th, 2005||#6|
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As I remember the Celt stories themselves mention their origin place in terms that could only have been Asia Minor. I'll have to do some checking in my library to be sure though. There were 7 Celtic nations originally, though most people only think of three (Ireland, Scotland, Wales).
|April 7th, 2005||#7|
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You will also find info in the text of the clasicc historisicians such us Plinio, Estrabon, Dión Casio (56, 43, 3): , but the last one is the best.
If you do a search in the web you will also find more info and references that you might be interested in.
The name celtic comes fron the greek "Keltoi"
I founded a great page where you can check all the original texts of Cassius Dio on LacusCurtius in english, if you read book (56, 43, 3) you will read about Corocotta.
|April 25th, 2005||#8|
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Cassius Dio info
Thanks for the link. I've read some of this work and seen him refenced before but could never find a copy for myself(wee, still haven't...). Very interesting thread and will look for more of your posts as all have been interesting. Best
|April 26th, 2005||#9|
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Re: Cassius Dio info