Feel sorry for those extra troops (and their families) going into Baghdad over the next few months. Bush must be real glad most of you guys are right behind him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/wo...=1&oref=slogin

Is Bush just buying more time???


What a mess the next President will have to deal with!

Yea...I'm not a member of the New York Times...

Originally Posted by C/1Lt Henderson

Yea...I'm not a member of the New York Times...

I think I may have found it, I hate handing out my email address to get it though.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/wo...52b811&ei=5070

Basically...Dig in for the long haul, boys.

They need eliminate some of the militias that just do not want to get along...Send a nice strong message you act out of line you don't try and work things out then, well, there is no need for your existence....

Harsh words I know but it is the rule of the planet humans seem to be the only animals that don't quit grasp this concept....

But meh maybe I'm wrong I guess we need more rapists and murders in this world, hell we need people to just go around and kill innocent bystanders for no reason...It does good doesn't it??

Then for those of you who say it isn't our problem, well that is pretty high and mighty of you...So if you had the capability to help someone you wouldn't??? It is your duty to continue and that is the bottom line....

We (the civilized people of the World) can end the Middle East problem and stop a Global war in the making. War in the Middle East was inevitable and no one Country or leader thereof can be blamed for the nihilistic nature of radical Islam. Appeasement or isolationism won't work and never has, without a high cost. Unfortunately, some societies don't want a democracy and there is nothing any ambassador, politician, or armed force, can do to change that. When millions of people refuse to change or moderate a belief that total destruction of most of the World's population is a covenant with their god(s) and the only means of salvation is to obey their prophets, then war is inevitable forever.

A lot of people ask, who is right and who is wrong in such a war? Isn't this just a difference in civilizations? The answer is a resounding yes. There are natural taboos that have evolved as human beings came to recognize unacceptable and destructive practices. I don't mean cannibalism, headhunting, Human sacrifices, and many others that come to mind. I'm speaking of genocide, enslavement, mass murder, and denial of all freedoms except breathing.

Modern people never want to return to the fifth century and destroy everything that has been accomplished for the benefit of mankind. Men don't die at a ripe old age of 26 and girls 12 years old and younger are not forced to bear children for a tribal leader. I would rather fly in an airliner than ride a donkey. Difference in civilizations? Yep! And the operative word here is civilization.

Originally Posted by Missileer

We (the civilized people of the World) can end the Middle East problem and stop a Global war in the making. War in the Middle East was inevitable and no one Country or leader thereof can be blamed for the nihilistic nature of radical Islam. Appeasement or isolationism won't work and never has, without a high cost. Unfortunately, some societies don't want a democracy and there is nothing any ambassador, politician, or armed force, can do to change that. When millions of people refuse to change or moderate a belief that total destruction of most of the World's population is a covenant with their god(s) and the only means of salvation is to obey their prophets, then war is inevitable forever.

A lot of people ask, who is right and who is wrong in such a war? Isn't this just a difference in civilizations? The answer is a resounding yes. There are natural taboos that have evolved as human beings came to recognize unacceptable and destructive practices. I don't mean cannibalism, headhunting, Human sacrifices, and many others that come to mind. I'm speaking of genocide, enslavement, mass murder, and denial of all freedoms except breathing.

Modern people never want to return to the fifth century and destroy everything that has been accomplished for the benefit of mankind. Men don't die at a ripe old age of 26 and girls 12 years old and younger are not forced to bear children for a tribal leader. I would rather fly in an airliner than ride a donkey. Difference in civilizations? Yep! And the operative word here is civilization.

I really thought we had moved on from the 18th century colonial thinking but it would appear not, I do not believe you can impose one civilisation on another unless they want it and are prepared to fight for it themselves.

However this really isn't a battle of civilisations it is a battle of religions as it has always been, lets face it we don't care about people riding donkeys or living in shacks as long as they leave us alone we are simply trying to make people who have been force fed Islam for 1500 years suck on Christian values.

The fact is that for 1000 years the Christian world has done all it could to impose itself on the middle east and there have been times when the Islamic world has been strong enough and tried to impose itself on Europe they have failed dismally because the people there obviously don't want it.

So after all this I believe the answer is to take the fanatics out of the equation on both sides preferably with lead poisoning, reduce the religious influence's that keep this thing fueled and it will settle down but if you try and impose your views when they clearly do not want it you will lose.

Just for shits and giggles take a look at nations where religion (doesn't matter which one) plays a major role in the day to day running of a country especially when you have more than one type and I suspect you will find the countries with the highest rates of poverty, backwardness, corruption and where you have more than one sect civil war. The strength of the west is that it has reduced religion to a personal thing and because of that we have flourished.

May they all stay safe.

I am certainly very proud of our military. They give me the freedom that others who do not know what its like to be free will only covet or despise.

Its not religious influence. Its humanitarian. Id like to see you in a time machine back to pre-US invasion Baghdad and see how you liked it.

Yup torture is ok for them but bad for us....

Some people make no logical or rational sense what so ever.....