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| Caesar | Post; Bush lobbies for surveillance law (AP) AP - President Bush on Monday lobbied again for an intelligence law allowing government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, as the tone of the dispute between the White House and Congress over terrorist surveillance grew increasingly sharp.Read more... |
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| Spam King | George Bush is watching you...
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| Milforum's Postmaster | not sure all this isn't bad. some is needed. |
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| Optio | I personally have nothing to hide so if they wanna listen in thats fine, in the end we have no real say so in when and where they do anyway.... |
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| Tribuni Angusticlavii | I have nothing to worry about. They'll never get me. *Puts tin foil hat on head*
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| Tribunus Laticlavius | The law is a terrible idea, we have satellites that can read license plate numbers, so most terrorists are smart enough to know NEVER to use a telephone more than once, and many don't use phones at all. These people are not as dumb as you think they might be. Furthermore it has stated over and over again the Feds have the right to wiretap with a warrant for 72 hours, that FISA has the ability to hand warrants within an hour. So there is absolutely no reason for this power, and in fact the FBI several years ago told the Justice Department that they didn't want this this first time the law was passed. So why are the pushing the Bushies pushing this survaillance law, a law that provides for unlimited surveillance without supervision? Because it has NOTHING to do with terrorism it has to do of keeping an eye on society. And before you all scoff, Remember 4 years ago, Tom Delay tracked the private aircraft of congressional Democrats using secret FAA transponder codes. So there is already precedent about government authorities using their surveillance powers to spy on ordinary Americans. You can be sure its not the first time either...
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| Optio | Thats why I honestly believe law or no law they will do what they want and there isnt anything we can do because we will never know its happening. |
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| Tribuni Angusticlavii | I don't know what's worse, that they're removing all the protections, or that people don't care.
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| Tribunus Laticlavius | Quote:
Next they'll want to bug everyone's house..... Don't laugh, they already have the capability for audio feed, even when your phone is on the hook. Read "Spycatcher" by Peter Wright.
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| Fridgeraider (Instructor) | How will they handle all that information though? They want to use it to listen in on suspects... heck why not? Also remember that when people want to build a foot path, they have to request a 4 lane interstate highway. After the opponents have stepped on, ripped and pissed all over your proposal, you will have the foot path that you wanted in the first place. How to Fight Bureaucracy (Article 104 Section 53)
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