Originally Posted by Gator

Actually, President Clinton is not the sitting United States President, and, actually, George Bush is the sitting United States President, the sitting United States President with over a year left in office.

Actually, you're in the Republican bashing business so you ignore anything factual about your particular political leanings. That is the subject of my post.

In the future, keep your sarcasm to yourself or you may earn yourself a time out. If you would like to have more information on why, shoot me an email and I'll be glad to explain.

"Free Scooter Libby: The case gets weirder by the day." (Slate, 6.18.07)

Originally Posted by Missileer

Actually, you're in the Republican bashing business so you ignore anything factual about your particular political leanings. That is the subject of my post.

In the future, keep your sarcasm to yourself or you may earn yourself a time out. If you would like to have more information on why, shoot me an email and I'll be glad to explain.

My Post was not meant to be sarcastic in the least, merely informational.

I will not be sending you an emal, and will not be responding to your Postings in the future, unless they are in your official capacity.

I cannot place you on ignore, but, I think I can remember for the future.

Originally Posted by Missileer

Actually, you're in the Republican bashing business so you ignore anything factual about your particular political leanings. That is the subject of my post.

In the future, keep your sarcasm to yourself or you may earn yourself a time out. If you would like to have more information on why, shoot me an email and I'll be glad to explain.

Just a quick question:
Does the same public warning go out the Democrat bashers?

Not that I care either way but for consistency sake it would be nice to know and the board does seem to have its share of both so I am sure they would like to know you are on their trail as well.

Missileer

You say that Libby was punished. I fail to see how. Libby was sentenced to 30 months in Jail, 2 years probation and a $250,000 fine.

1. 30 months probation is gone. -Thanks to our glorious leader.

2. The Probation period is gone too, do to the fact that Libby got "supervised release" not actual probation. The legal loophole of 'supervised release' its only in effect AFTER being released from jail. In other words, No Jail, no supervised release.

see below
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19591231/

3. Which leaves the Fine in which the GOP cronies will obviously pay for him.

So I ask again, where is the punishment?

Originally Posted by Gator

Actually, President Clinton is not the sitting United States President, and, actually, George Bush is the sitting United States President, the sitting United States President with over a year left in office.

MonteB, do you see anything in this post that pertains to the presidential pardon and commutation records that I posted? All I see is a post that shuffled the topic to who was and is in office. Does it have anything at all about a response to my facts I posted?

This kind of response to any post is not necessary and by his using the word "actually" from my post is an attempt at flame baiting.

As for bashing Democrats, when have you seen me do such or condone someone changing the topic by doing so? I don't change my opinions from the thinking process to a feeling process on any subject and it's a good rule to follow. What I think about a subject is derived from thought, not how I feel about it. Too many people get the two confused and react from their "feelings" about a subject and that never ends well.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Missileer

You say that Libby was punished. I fail to see how. Libby was sentenced to 30 months in Jail, 2 years probation and a $250,000 fine.

1. 30 months probation is gone. -Thanks to our glorious leader.

2. The Probation period is gone too, do to the fact that Libby got "supervised release" not actual probation. The legal loophole of 'supervised release' its only in effect AFTER being released from jail. In other words, No Jail, no supervised release.

see below
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19591231/

3. Which leaves the Fine in which the GOP cronies will obviously pay for him.

So I ask again, where is the punishment?

Well, mmarsh, how's this, you are a convicted felon which is a career and sometimes, life ending judgement. That can only be changed with a full pardon, which he didn't get.

Look up all the ramifications to having a criminal background and judge for yourself if that is a dandy way to end a career. I think that is punishment similar to banishment from society used in the past.

Originally Posted by Gator

My Post was not meant to be sarcastic in the least, merely informational.

I will not be sending you an emal, and will not be responding to your Postings in the future, unless they are in your official capacity.

I cannot place you on ignore, but, I think I can remember for the future.

Okay, you guys can ding me for triple posts but I need to respond to each in a different manner.

Gator, whether you believe this or not, I am sorry your reaction to my post hurt your feelings, nevertheless, I stand by my opinion that your motive behind your post was as I described. It doesn't take a master of semantics to detect sarcasm.

I won't grieve over the fact that you will not send me a PM. As for responding to my posts, ditto.

Now, can we get back to the topic at hand and decide what nefarious intentions were behind the Bush decision to pardon Libby and how it affects our everyday lives and futures?

Missileer

Oliver North's conviction didn't seem to bother his new radio career, neither did it G.Gordon Liddy. As a matter of fact, both their careers are brighter now AFTER they got arrested than before. Unknowns to Superstardom in a NY minute. You also forget that Libby isn't going to be applying for a clerk job at the next door 7-11 where a criminal record might be a problem. Instead, he's going to go work for some GOP Conservative Think Tank or GOP-aligned Company who will view his conviction as a PLUS rather than a MINUS.

The Second thing is Libby's full pardon is only a matter of time. Many/Most of the guys in Iran-Contra and Watergate (both of which were graver offenses) WERE pardoned. Bush might wait until he's almost out the door to do it, but I have a crisp new $20 bill that says Libby's criminal record will be as clean as a baby's butt before Bush is out of a job.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Missileer

Oliver North's conviction didn't seem to bother his radio career, neither did it G.Gordon Liddy. As a matter of fact, both their careers are brighter now AFTER they got arrested than before, and unlike Scooter Libby these guys actually WENT to jail. Many if not all of the guys in Iran-Contra and Watergate (both of which were graver offenses) WERE pardoned. You also forget that Libby isn't going to be applying for a clerk job at the next door 7-11. He's going to go work for some GOP Conservative Think Tank or GOP-aligned Company who will view his conviction as a PLUS rather than a MINUS.

The Second thing is Libby's full pardon is only a matter of time. Bush might wait until he's almost out the door to do it, but I have a $20 bill that says Libby's criminal record will be as clean as a baby's butt before Bush is out of a job.

Trust me, Don't worry for Scooter he'll be just fine.

The fact that conservative talk radio is more successful than their liberal counterparts is simply the market getting what it wants. Air America failed because not enough people listened to pay the bills. And you're right about those people, talk radio, taking care of their own. Libby may find a golden parachute out there somewhere but his reputation and his family have suffered enough. I saw his Wife, who didn't do anything, break down and cry in court, so not all is coming up roses in the Libby family.