Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

Again, bullpup for CQB is debateable. Although it's a shorter weapon, unless it ejects the shells directly down or forward, you can't switch hands and that can be a problem with corners.

Seems to me a scaled up FN P90 that fires .45 and silences well would be damn good for close quarters. The P90 avoids the protruding rear magazine and also is "enclosed" in that the shape is not full of things to snag or hang up. I'd think such a weapon could be good for para use,seals etc. I have no experiance with the top mag,but one plus has to be that it's not in the way if in a prone position.

The Kriss Vector is an interesting .45 SMG in that recoil energy is re-directed with the result of much less kick and less climb in auto. Their layout won't translate to Bullpup but I wonder if a pivot counterweight or some hydraulic force transfer can divert recoil energy in the optimum direction,and fit into the butt of a P90 form factor?

Another thought.....could a smaller caliber bullet be loaded into a .45 acp cartridge using a sabot,and what kind of range and velocity would be possible? If a compact,ergonomic weapon could have the ability to enploy .45 for close-in "stopping" also,can be optimally silenced,being subsonic ...AND can use an alternative round with good performance at 200m or more,that would be a damn handy military weapon for several roles.

From what I hear of the FN 2000 it does do a forward eject. While their at it,maybe they can put that in too

FN2000 and the new Kel-Tec bullpup designs both have a front ejecting design.

I keep hearing about the FS2000. How does it directly compare to the M4?

Most armies at one stage had bolt operating rifles that could only be used from the right shoulder yet every one learned to use them, these days it appears that every thing has to be designed to suit their needs.

Just since I'm a nice guy and using this as a place holder to post a far more informational posting....

My Bullpups...



Microtech Small Arms Research XM17-E4 (AUG w/ a NATO Stock)




FNH PS90 w/ Gemtech 5.56x45mm Suppressor.

the M4 and the M16 as well as their predecessors have thrived in our military for decades, i do not think our country will REPLACE them, but they will be edited, updated, and tricked the hell out.

Originally Posted by Jay

the M4 and the M16 as well as their predecessors have thrived in our military for decades, i do not think our country will REPLACE them, but they will be edited, updated, and tricked the hell out.

I don't see the US Armed Forces changing the AR-15 platform anytime soon. It's a proven system but so are many bullpup platforms out there too.



My AUG with my Interceptor Vest....

My AR-15 rifles... some I built and other were purchased. Most were built.
















I'm a man of culture and class.... I can live with both in my world. More varity means more flavors... more flavors mean more sexy gals... err... I mean rifles. Yeah, rifles.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

I don't see the US Armed Forces changing the AR-15 platform anytime soon. It's a proven system but so are many bullpup platforms out there too.



My AUG with my Interceptor Vest....

My AR-15 rifles... some I built and other were purchased. Most were built.
















I'm a man of culture and class.... I can live with both in my world. More varity means more flavors... more flavors mean more sexy gals... err... I mean rifles. Yeah, rifles.

yeah i don't see the states taking the platform out but the gun itself will be kept up to the highest class of modern weapons, i do wish, however that the states would do some experimenting with other platforms, it couldn't hurt

It's a pity the 5.56mm Magpul PDR seems to be nothing more than a concept & a few 1/1 scale mockups for the moment. It could have given the FN P90 some serious competition in regards to size. Might have been just the right weapon for this debate too!



Although it might not be made in a 'real steel' model any day soon, the airsoft community seem to love it so you can find a number of other pics on the web for the PDR.
The following link is to a Magpul pdf about the PDR: -
http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/PDRtech_PR.pdf