About Bullpup vs. classic rifle designs? Page 8
|January 12th, 2012||#71|
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Kevin, I tried to open your link, it does not work, not here anyway. Now I know about other bullpup weapons without the 5.56
What bullpup weapons are in the service?
Steyr: Austria, Ireland, and Australia (any other country?)
SA 80: GB, A lot of quality problems in the beginning, but it is solved now, I think
FAMAS: the Fro.....France, never heard anything good or bad about it
Tavor: Israel, Colombia, similar as the FAMAS, have not heard anything about it
FN (Belgium) has one too; the FN 2000 something, can be a prototype
HK (Germany) has one; the G11, seem to be a prototype/experimental
China has one, I have seen it, and I do not know its name
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|January 12th, 2012||#72|
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My apologies Ghostrider, I'd been to the link about 12-14 months ago so I assumed it would still work
I can't get the link to open for me at the moment but I thought that was because my workplace network was blocking it (they have tried to block anything related to weapons).
I'll try it when I get home and see if it is still valid. In the meantime, there's good coverage of the development of the KAL1 on the gun wiki
The Chinese bullpup you're thinking of is probably the QBZ-95 in 5.8x42mm although they can also provide it in 5.56x45mm
|January 12th, 2012||#73|
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Nice website, the Russian one, I will save it, thanks. It was the Chinese weapon I had in my mind. So they are blocking interesting websites there you are working, huh? That sucks
ps, I am Swedish, but I am not in Sweden. I am in ehh where in hxll am I?
Last edited by I3BrigPvSk; January 12th, 2012 at 04:33..
|January 12th, 2012||#75|
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Hey Ghostrider, I've found the working link for the KAL1 rifle, the one I originally supplied is way out of date but this one is the current link.
There's a lot of background to the inventor himself on that page but enough useful info on the development of the KAL1 to be worth having a look.
|January 12th, 2012||#76|
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|January 13th, 2012||#77|
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New Zealand actually took delivery of the F88 ahead of Australia. Theirs came with a different sight reticle to the Australian version.
|January 13th, 2012||#78|
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As a point of interest, the US Immigration/Customs uses the AUG
|January 13th, 2012||#79|
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|January 13th, 2012||#80|
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Due to training with the British Army, I've used the L85A1 as well as the F88 Austeyr (Australian AUG) and I found both of them comfortable to carry and shoot. And they sure made climbing out of APCs or climbing through windows a lot easier!
The L85A1 seemed to behave better in burst fire than the F88.
I also liked the SUSAT on the L85A1 better than the integrated sight on the F88, I think it's a more accurate sight than the one on the F88. The F88S has a rail to allow various sights to be mounted, I never had the opportunity to use the S variant but sights like the ACOG would improve the accuracy over the original integrated sight.
I don't know what the SUSAT is like in this regard but the F88 sight would fog up sometimes in cold, humid conditions. However I know that in jungle training the L85 rifles were fitted with iron sights rather than the SUSAT so maybe it suffers from the same sort of fogging in humid conditions - can any of the British members add any info on this?
I originally trained on the 7.62x51mm L1A1 SLR, the 5.56x45mm M16A1 and the 9x19mm F1 SMG. I really like the hitting power of the SLR and it, like many battle rifles built in that era, is incredibly tough. The M16A1 had almost no felt recoil and handled very well in burst fire (due to the large recoil buffer and the M193 ammo). The newer M855 round combined with the faster rifling twist makes the recoil more noticeable in the M16A2. The F88 recoil is worse than the M16A2 in burst fire.
I believe that some of the problems associated with bullpups can be fixed by training but a few negative points do remain.
For example, I could change the magazine on the F88 as easily as I could on the SLR (the M16 variants seem much faster to me for mag changes due to the catch design). However, sometimes when you're changing the mag on the F88 you have to shift the rifle a bit and you lose your sight picture (like when I was in the prone position sometimes).
With the shorter overall length of a bullpup, the length between the fore and rear sights is much smaller and so you lose some accuracy (the longer the sight radius the better the overall accuracy). How much is open to debate because these days nearly all bullpups get fitted with optical sights to increase their accuracy.
There are a few other aspects that are interesting but not really problems. For example, I really liked the length of the SLR compared to the F88 when it came to pushing open doors or windows. It was really easy to smash windows with the SLR when you used it like a club, you can't do that so easily with the F88.
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