Topic: Bullets

doomshot · August 13th, 2004

Does any one know what is the biggest bullet ever made and its dimensions and/or caliber

And also does anybody know how they make non-lethal bullets

Thanks

Lil Hulk 1988 · August 13th, 2004

The 5.56mm and the 9mm cannot be compared, one is a rifle round the a pistol. The 9mm has about 1/3 less muzzle energy than a 5.56mm, there is no comparison and depends on the situation and mission. I like the MP5 for urban situations involved clearing buildings, while I prefer the M16 for standard infantry operations. The best compromise is the M4, but in a urban situation, the penetration of the 5.56 may be a problem in a building.

doomshot · August 13th, 2004

sorry I meant rifle bullets

Lil Hulk 1988 · August 13th, 2004

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Originally Posted by doomshot

sorry I meant rifle bullets

MP5 is a submachine gun in a pistol bullet caliber, can't compare. The largest that I know of is the new 20mm sniper rifle, but I think there was a 37mm Anti-tank rifle in the early 30's.

5CAV · August 13th, 2004

If we define a "Rifle" as something that kicks a bullet out faster than 500 meters per second, and constrain the exercise to something that is "man portable", then the largest "rifle bullet" is a 20mm.

In WWII the Finns fielded the 20mm Lahti and the Germans had the Solothurm S.18/1000. Both make the current M107 .50 BMG rifle look small and stretch the "man portable" criterion.

I think there is a 20mm rifle made in South Africa that is a lighter version of the old Solothurn S.18/1000. I don't know if it's been fielded by any army yet.

Lil Hulk is correct. Comparing M16 and MP5 is meaningless. About the only comparison you can make is the 5.56 is a mediocre rifle round (and NATO standard), and the 9mm is a mediocre pistol round (and NATO standard).

silent driller · August 13th, 2004

I really couln't make a vote on this one because of that quandry Lil Hulk spoke about. It really does depend on the type of operation. And I say if you want a compromise, fit the M4 with fragmenting rounds.

TheSunsetSniper · August 13th, 2004

NTW-20 Anti-Material Rifle...
http://conspiracyx0.tripod.com/weapons2/NTW.htm

Funny, it looks a bit like the rifle from HALO.

SHERMAN · August 13th, 2004

And lets not forget the RT-20 from Croatia...

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn56-e.htm

5CAV · August 13th, 2004

Check out Barrett's website.

I correct my earlier post -- the new "biggest bullet" is 25mm.

http://www.barrettrifles.com/military.htm

The Barrett XM109 is not much heavier than the .50 BMG M107, so it's much lighter than the Lahti or the Solothurn.

Keist IV · August 17th, 2004

Still a sidearm caliber but, our sheriff's department has the MP5s but they are chambered in a .45 caliber. Much nicer than the 9mm but still not a rifle.

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August 13th, 2004	Post 1
doomshot Immunes	Post; Bullets Does any one know what is the biggest bullet ever made and its dimensions and/or caliber And also does anybody know how they make non-lethal bullets Thanks __________________ And when he gets to heaven, To Saint Peter he will tell: One more soldier reporting, sir-- I\'ve served my time in h**l. -Marine Grave inscription on Guadalcanal, 1942

August 13th, 2004	Post 2
Lil Hulk 1988 Centurion	Post; Bullet Wise.... The 5.56mm and the 9mm cannot be compared, one is a rifle round the a pistol. The 9mm has about 1/3 less muzzle energy than a 5.56mm, there is no comparison and depends on the situation and mission. I like the MP5 for urban situations involved clearing buildings, while I prefer the M16 for standard infantry operations. The best compromise is the M4, but in a urban situation, the penetration of the 5.56 may be a problem in a building. __________________ \"U.S. Marines are about the most peculiar breed of human beings I have ever known. They treat their service as if it was some kind of cult, plastering their emblem on almost everythng they own, making themselves up to look like insane fanatics...., *which I have come to the conclusion they are!*\" -- An Anonymous Canadian Citizen

August 13th, 2004	Post 5
5CAV Immunes	If we define a "Rifle" as something that kicks a bullet out faster than 500 meters per second, and constrain the exercise to something that is "man portable", then the largest "rifle bullet" is a 20mm. In WWII the Finns fielded the 20mm Lahti and the Germans had the Solothurm S.18/1000. Both make the current M107 .50 BMG rifle look small and stretch the "man portable" criterion. I think there is a 20mm rifle made in South Africa that is a lighter version of the old Solothurn S.18/1000. I don't know if it's been fielded by any army yet. Lil Hulk is correct. Comparing M16 and MP5 is meaningless. About the only comparison you can make is the 5.56 is a mediocre rifle round (and NATO standard), and the 9mm is a mediocre pistol round (and NATO standard). __________________ \"Nolo Copulare Equestribus\"

August 13th, 2004	Post 6
silent driller Tribuni Angusticlavii	I really couln't make a vote on this one because of that quandry Lil Hulk spoke about. It really does depend on the type of operation. And I say if you want a compromise, fit the M4 with fragmenting rounds. __________________ http://www.yabbers.com/phpbb/index.php?mforum=unclesam www.sp00n.lefthandedstudios.com

August 13th, 2004	Post 3
doomshot Immunes	sorry I meant rifle bullets

August 13th, 2004	Post 7
TheSunsetSniper Optio	NTW-20 Anti-Material Rifle... http://conspiracyx0.tripod.com/weapons2/NTW.htm Funny, it looks a bit like the rifle from HALO. __________________ \"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat.\" - TR

August 13th, 2004	Post 8
SHERMAN Milforum Moderator	And lets not forget the RT-20 from Croatia... http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn56-e.htm __________________ In the roar of engines, in the tunder of cannons,in the comradship of blood!

August 13th, 2004	Post 9
5CAV Immunes	Check out Barrett's website. I correct my earlier post -- the new "biggest bullet" is 25mm. http://www.barrettrifles.com/military.htm The Barrett XM109 is not much heavier than the .50 BMG M107, so it's much lighter than the Lahti or the Solothurn.

August 17th, 2004	Post 10
Keist IV Optio	Still a sidearm caliber but, our sheriff's department has the MP5s but they are chambered in a .45 caliber. Much nicer than the 9mm but still not a rifle.

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