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Topic: British Officer challenges American tactics in Iraq. |
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| Tribuni Angusticlavii | Post; British Officer challenges American tactics in Iraq.http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...684561,00.html Quote:
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| Milforum's Bouncer | I am not there so I cannot say if he is right or not, but it rings true were I to compare his comments to what the US Army was like when I was in. He raises some valid issues about fighting an insurgency and I would daresay the British know a helluva lot more about this than the US does... but like I said, I am not in Iraq... TI??
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| Tribuni Angusticlavii | "institutional racism" part is probobly quite off, I don't think Brits understand what that term means in America where we actually had real racism. Outside of that line, "moral righteousness, misplaced optimism, and of being ill-suited to engage in counter-insurgency operations" seems to be accurate. I found the first 1/2 of the article to be agreeable and the second half to be disagreeable. Some things are objective truth and some things may be just differences in American armed theory and English armed theory. |
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| Milforum Moderator ![]() | I have already had to remove two posts from this thread. If you have nothing constructive to add, do not post. If anyone is interested in reading the real report by the Brigadier, without the sensationalism and bias, click here: http://usacac.leavenworth.army.mil/C...c05/aylwin.pdf Last edited by RnderSafe : January 12th, 2006 at 15:53. |
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| Nuclear Duck Hunter ![]() | I think the fact that US and British battle tactics have been different through our long relation is and always has been well known. As to which "style" is best, it seems that a combination of both has served both Countries well in past conflicts. As long as one continues to complement the other, well, it's hard to argue with success. I do have a problem with people writing these types of articles while we're still engaged with an enemy. There will be plenty of time for critiques after the war.
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| Centurion | Quote:
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| Nuclear Duck Hunter ![]() | Quote:
There have been a few victories using these same tactics, most notably WWI and II. Hard to argue with success. | |
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| Tribuni Angusticlavii | Quote:
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If you read the original report, it is far less inflammatory, and many of his observations are spot on. He's far more complimentary of US forces than he is critical. | |
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| Forums Grumpy Old Man | The Guardian has a certain 'odor' in polite society which leads me to question their "impartiality". Having said that, there is a very very very very small kernel of a valid question in their questioning institutional racism in the US military. As hard as we have worked to remove the last of the racism from our ranks, there is still a lingering 'hint' of the institutional leaning towards a way of life that the United States is still struggling with - namely the feeling of superiority because of the overwhelming power displayed by our armed forces and the question of the role of blacks in the military. The unfair treatment of blacks in the military has been ALMOST COMPLETELY wiped out - what little bit remains is quickly addressed as soon as it surfaces. The force superiority can be viewed by some people as 'racism' if that is the way they lean to start with. Let's face it, many countries in the middle east already have a bad opinion of the US and it's only a short step to accuse our forces of being racist. Brigadier Nigel Aylwin-Foster's comments lead me to believe that he 'may' have a personal agenda. I have no way to prove or disprove this feeling but the tenor of his comments are suspect to me. Add the fact that this article was published in the Guardian and my suspicions are probably not far off the mark.
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