how bout this point of view? if England and france go at it, england would win. why? america will help england before we help france. hell, puerto rico has a better military than france, the american military.

I dunno if you can make that conclusion.

The USA and France have never fought a war against one another and like in all Wars, it all depends upon the situation. I sincerely doubt the USA would support the UK if in a (strictly hypothetical) situation the UK were to attack French interests. I saw a BBC poll several years ago that showed that America was less popular in the UK than in France or Germany. Despite the problems between the USA and France they really do have much more in common than differences.

(please excuse this post if it doesnt make any sense, I had alot to drink tonight).

Originally Posted by behemoth79

how bout this point of view? if England and france go at it, england would win. why? america will help england before we help france. hell, puerto rico has a better military than france, the american military.

Draw.

3 nuked countries.

Does anyone know how quiet the French nuke boats are.

Originally Posted by Rabs

Does anyone know how quiet the French nuke boats are.

Hard to say this is of course classified.
But on Netmarine.net, the SNLE New Gen is supposed to be 1000 times quieter.

Plus grand, plus rapide, 1000 fois plus silencieux que ses prédécesseurs, il est également doté d'une ouïe 10 fois plus fine. A la conception l'objectif fixé fut extrêmement ambitieux puisqu'il s'agissait de réaliser un bateau dont le bruit serait assimilable à celui du fond de la mer. La Direction des Constructions Navales a relevé le défi, puisqu'entre Le Redoutable et Le Triomphant, l'écart de bruit est comparable à celui que fait un hélicoptère par rapport à une voiture !
http://www.netmarine.net/bat/smarins/triompha/index.htm
http://www.netmarine.net/bat/smarins...pha/snleng.htm

Obviously they are extemely quiet.
Not more than ocean background noise...

okay? so what does this mean drakken?

all I can say is "Je parle francais un petit peu"

Drakken, I hope you dont mind if I translate...

In a nutshell Drakken is saying that the Nextgen subs are to be larger, faster and 1000x quieter than their predecessors. The objective is from them to mimic sound from the bottom of the ocean, this is quite a challenge as the noise differemce between the Redoubtle class (older, 1970's sub design) and the Triomphant class (more modern class) is the same between a car motor and a helicopter engine. The point being, the noise levels to be reduced significantly from a design thats already fairly quiet.

Hehe sorry, and thank you Mmarsh.

I was just curious cause I always heard that SSBNs were nosier than SSNs. Even that an ohio class sitting idle in port is still nosier than a LA class doing 15 knots.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Drakken, I hope you dont mind if I translate...

In a nutshell Drakken is saying that the Nextgen subs are to be larger, faster and 1000x quieter than their predecessors. The objective is from them to mimic sound from the bottom of the ocean, this is quite a challenge as the noise differemce between the Redoubtle class (older, 1970's sub design) and the Triomphant class (more modern class) is the same between a car motor and a helicopter engine. The point being, the noise levels to be reduced significantly from a design thats already fairly quiet.

ahh merci