Topic: Brandenburgers 2

Genghis_Kan · February 3rd, 2006

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Originally Posted by boris116

What success?
That operation had taken place in Maikop and wasn't a part of the Push to the Volga River. The taking of Maikop could be called a success(if it did happened), but it had not related to Stalingrad which was a huge fiasco for the Germans.
If people in the West know just a few cities in Russia, it doesn't mean that other cities do not exist

Oh i am sorry about misusing the word success.

Actually they failed their objective. But I mean they ar pretty successful in help the Germans entering the city. I am just amazed by the way they fooled the Russian.

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Originally Posted by redcoat

Because there is no historial evidence what-so-ever from either British or German sources.
Dozens of historians have looked into this possiblity, none have found any evidence to back up the rumours.

Its a WW2 myth (one of many)

Well i am not implying that this is true. I am just saying there's a possiblity. Actually maybe u ar right. the Brandenburgers also recuit foreigners.

boris116 · February 4th, 2006

[quote=Genghis_Kan]Oh i am sorry about misusing the word success.

Actually they failed their objective. But I mean they ar pretty successful in help the Germans entering the city. I am just amazed by the way they fooled the Russian.
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I think there were two reasons behind it(besides their unuestionable daring and bravery):
1. Most of the team has lived in Russia or in the Balqtic states before the war thus it was easier for them to fool the Russians. In the same time, the majority of similarly qualified people in the USSR have been persecuted specifically because of these qualifications. If you lived abroad for some time, speak foreign language, have relatives abroad - then you will be under suspicion authomatically.

2. From the Riussian standpoint, the situation was critical. So the regime was going to the extra heights(or lows) in trying to hold the front by any means, including the terror against it's own troops. In this situation, any resolute officer with the right papers and/or voice loud enough could instill fear into the solgiers. The fear of their own, not of the enemy.
In Russia, there is a proverb: "The initiative is punishable". So, why challenge the officer, who seems to know what he is doing?

February 4th, 2006	Post 12
boris116 Centurion	[quote=Genghis_Kan]Oh i am sorry about misusing the word success. Actually they failed their objective. But I mean they ar pretty successful in help the Germans entering the city. I am just amazed by the way they fooled the Russian. quote] I think there were two reasons behind it(besides their unuestionable daring and bravery): 1. Most of the team has lived in Russia or in the Balqtic states before the war thus it was easier for them to fool the Russians. In the same time, the majority of similarly qualified people in the USSR have been persecuted specifically because of these qualifications. If you lived abroad for some time, speak foreign language, have relatives abroad - then you will be under suspicion authomatically. 2. From the Riussian standpoint, the situation was critical. So the regime was going to the extra heights(or lows) in trying to hold the front by any means, including the terror against it's own troops. In this situation, any resolute officer with the right papers and/or voice loud enough could instill fear into the solgiers. The fear of their own, not of the enemy. In Russia, there is a proverb: "The initiative is punishable". So, why challenge the officer, who seems to know what he is doing?