Antiwakhabi militias in Каbardino-Balkaria send out open letter to the media


All biggest newspapers in the Republic received emails: «Kabardino-Balkar Pravda», «Newspaper South», «North Caucasus». This time «antiwakhabis», who refer to themselves as «black hawks», addressed a particular person - «аmir» of Каbaradino-Balkaria, Аsker Djapuev, considered the head of Islamist gnags in the Republic.

It is no secret that bandits in North Caucasus аctively соllect protection money from businessmen. One can only guess its true size. For example in February, became known the fact of extortion of 10 million rubles from the judge and head of village Zyukovo. But in most cases, the victims pay and stay silent. It is these people the «howks» are now offering protection to. It is an «opportunity» move. Any person will think 10 times, what is better - to pay terrorists or voluntarily help the new 'robin hoods'. As the «hawks» wrote: «If any of boeviki (militants, Islamists) will extort from local businessmen or other residents of the Republic money for «jihad», his family, his clan, will face consequences, punishment, losses they have never dreamt of».

One can figure, that if the «аntiwakhabis» сan protect the businessmen and oridnary people - they will be assured popular support. Аs for the «аntiterrorist protest», it seems more and more a psychological operation by the security services, who realised they cannot defeat terrorism the legal, conventional way.

http://kp.ru/daily/25648.4/812295/

The video of a 'Black Hawk' is also there.

Hmmm, I dont think it's a good thing.

The ideal situation would be to destroy both criminals and religious nut-jobs. And the Jihadists may have some kind of legitimate goals. If they gain power they might give up on terrorism and turn into a legitimate political group.

But LeMask,
what you don't understand is that they're people. With feelings. Do you think you can destroy them all? No you can't. You must sit down and have tea with them and show how humane you are. There is no need for extortion. There is obviously much misunderstanding. We need to get them white collar jobs so they don't need to steal anymore.
You are so barbaric.


LOL

Very funny.

But no, no one can discuss the fight against crime. Organized crime is a real problem. Some people among us chose to be criminals. They know it's wrong and they do it because it's tempting.

Some people steal to live. Some people sell drugs to survive... I dont like to adopt too harsh measures against them. But the others who a skilled and powerful and chose to be criminals. These guys have to be fought. And they will always be replaced by other people who will do the same choice. It will never end.

But remember the Jihadist who were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan? Your people were calling them heroes. You sure turn your jacket very fast...

And if you start financing criminals... Even for the "good cause". It might come back to bite in the ass... Once they will be well established, you will have big problems.

Just think one second. If these criminals start hiring military personnel to do the fighting? Like recruiting mercs. The local mob might gain a significant knowledge and network... And you dont know how they might evolve.

And they are already very strong if they are doing this...

Originally Posted by LeMask

Very funny.

But no, no one can discuss the fight against crime. Organized crime is a real problem. Some people among us chose to be criminals. They know it's wrong and they do it because it's tempting.

Some people steal to live. Some people sell drugs to survive... I dont like to adopt too harsh measures against them. But the others who a skilled and powerful and chose to be criminals. These guys have to be fought. And they will always be replaced by other people who will do the same choice. It will never end.

But remember the Jihadist who were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan? Your people were calling them heroes. You sure turn your jacket very fast...

And if you start financing criminals... Even for the "good cause". It might come back to bite in the ass... Once they will be well established, you will have big problems.

Just think one second. If these criminals start hiring military personnel to do the fighting? Like recruiting mercs. The local mob might gain a significant knowledge and network... And you dont know how they might evolve.

And they are already very strong if they are doing this...

GHR, through history, many many people tried to cut deals with criminals. And it just allowed them to evolve and to expand.

Even the police forces are "in contact" with the criminal world. To get informations. If you ask them, they would tell you that it's a good deal. That an open war would cost too much.

And by the way, siding with criminals might give the terrorists an extra argument to hire people, not?

(by the way, my understanding is that these black hawks are criminal characters; mafia life, nevermind what I said if it's not the case)

Originally Posted by LeMask

Very funny.

But no, no one can discuss the fight against crime. Organized crime is a real problem. Some people among us chose to be criminals. They know it's wrong and they do it because it's tempting.

Some people steal to live. Some people sell drugs to survive... I dont like to adopt too harsh measures against them. But the others who a skilled and powerful and chose to be criminals. These guys have to be fought. And they will always be replaced by other people who will do the same choice. It will never end.

But remember the Jihadist who were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan? Your people were calling them heroes. You sure turn your jacket very fast...

And if you start financing criminals... Even for the "good cause". It might come back to bite in the ass... Once they will be well established, you will have big problems.

Just think one second. If these criminals start hiring military personnel to do the fighting? Like recruiting mercs. The local mob might gain a significant knowledge and network... And you dont know how they might evolve.

And they are already very strong if they are doing this...

Uhhhh the Mujahideen that fought the Soviets were the Militias that fought the Taliban, that became the Northern Alliance that allied with the Coalition forces. So at least try and get your time line and players right.

Yeah.
Although there were members of that resistance within the Taliban ranks, by in large the guys who took over the country and engaged coalition forces are NOT the product of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. In fact, one of their biggest reasons for ending up in Pakistan was that they were avoiding that war.

03USMC, the situation in Afghanistan was much more complex.

There was the national army too. The norther alliance, and many groups as Mujahideen.

The Northern alliance is pretty new in the background.

There was Afghan troops supporting/following the Soviet army, and you can even see interviews of actual ANA commanders saying that they often arrested other Mujahideen, and they released them after confisquating their weapon as they were Muslims like them etc... I remember it well.

But among Jihadist there was Ben Laden and groups of Arabs from all over the world... A bit like Al Qaeda dont you think?

But I believe that terrorism is the weapon of the weak. I might be wrong, but It's my opinion right now.

And part of my belief is that you give up on terrorism when you can defend your interests by another mean.

Originally Posted by LeMask

03USMC, the situation in Afghanistan was much more complex.

There was the national army too. The norther alliance, and many groups as Mujahideen.

The Northern alliance is pretty new in the background.

There was Afghan troops supporting/following the Soviet army, and you can even see interviews of actual ANA commanders saying that they often arrested other Mujahideen, and they released them after confisquating their weapon as they were Muslims like them etc... I remember it well.

But among Jihadist there was Ben Laden and groups of Arabs from all over the world... A bit like Al Qaeda dont you think?

But I believe that terrorism is the weapon of the weak. I might be wrong, but It's my opinion right now.

And part of my belief is that you give up on terrorism when you can defend your interests by another mean.

No don't crawfish now, you threw out a blanket statement with little basis in fact.

The Taliban was post Soviet era, the AQ at the time was a conduit providing support and volunteers and was based in Pakistan, AQ only really became their current version post 1991, before that they had a support role, bank rolled by Bin Laden.

You threw out a blanket statement about the West's bigotry as you perceive it as a defense mechanism.

Now when you get called on it you pop smoke about how "complex" it is and I don't understand. I gave you the time line on the Northern Alliance in my post.

Weak Sauce Broseph.