Originally Posted by MontyB

I think the point here is that by all means be happy Bin Laden is dead but remember al Qaeda is not a single headed snake it is a hydra chopping one head off just pisses the others off and one of those remaining heads is a man that is probably more dangerous than Bin Laden in the form of Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Monty ...

I have to agree with the way you put that. (And I AM happy that justice has finally been meted out to Osama Bin Laden). I am NOT dancing in the street .. but, I am happy that justice has been served .. even though it took almost ten years.


There is every possibility that the new AlQaeda leader will be more poisonois and dangerous that Osama Bin Laden was ... H O W E V E R ... the new leader is NOT the leader that was responsible for the deaths of so many people on 9/11. That leader was Bin Laden ... and ... justice was administered at the pointed end of a bullet to the head. That IS one snake that has been removed from the face of the earth ... one snake that we will no longer have to shake the bushes to find. We know exactly where he is ... at the bottom of the sea where he will NEVER be enshrined as a martyr.

Is the war on terror won and over with because of his death??? The answer is emphatically NO ... we will have to continue to route out terrorists wherever we find them ... and, I hope that we can administer the same kind of justice to them, as was administered to Osama Bin Laden.

MAY HE (and they) FOREVER ROT IN HELL.

Originally Posted by MontyB

I think the point here is that by all means be happy Bin Laden is dead but remember al Qaeda is not a single headed snake it is a hydra chopping one head off just pisses the others off and one of those remaining heads is a man that is probably more dangerous than Bin Laden in the form of Ayman al-Zawahiri.

The snakes were always pissed off, these are radicals they wont stop no matter what. You are right Killing bin Laden wont stop them, but it will unnerve them and remind them of two basic facts:

1. Their safety is an illusion, there is no safe haven anywhere, not even with his obvious friends in the ISI. One little mistake, can be fatal. In bin Laden's case, it was relying a little too much on his faithful courier.

2. Only dead will they be free of us. Allah may be merciful, we won't be. And don't believe the propaganda of them wanting to be a martyr. If bin Laden wanted to be a Martyr he would have strolled into a checkpoint with a bomb strapped to his chest years ago. The fact he used his own wife as a human shield shows how much he wanted to live.

And killing someone like bin laden does disrupt them. Right Now I guarantee you that Ayman al-Zawahri is making changes to his operations and security systems.

Originally Posted by Chief Bones

Seno ...

I am unable to say exactly what I think of you and your condescending comments. If I were to do so, I would AGAIN draw an unearned and undeserved reprimand from the MODS.

In order to protect myself from your continuing asinine comments and disrespect .. and .. in order to head off the possibility of getting crosswise of the MODS, I am placing you on my ignore list.

Have fun belittling the rest of the fine soldiers and ex-soldiers who have earned MY undying respect and admiration.

In YOUR case, there is absolutely NO respect .. only my complete and utter disdain and dislike. May you soon join your hero.

Now that is about the level of intelligence I would expect of a man who made the earlier highly uninformed comments. Personally i think you are more miffed at the fact that i caught you out both making a stupid assumption and trying to derail the debate to excuse yourself.

Yes, I realise that no one likes someone "p!ssing on their parade" but in cases where obvious false statements have been made it needs to be done. Whether you read this or not, does not concern me. For me it is far more important that others know my reasoning, and that I'm not fooled by your previous incorrect statements.

Nowhere have I belittled anyone, but it was a nice try by you anyway. I think you need to grow up a bit.

Originally Posted by Del Boy

WHOA Chief - you got me wrong there; I'm with you on this one. Take a long look at the preceding posts and all will become clear. Simpy a joke about what he truly deserved from the Americans, having so fatefully fallen into their hands.

My first post stated simply:-

'Method of disposal was well chosen, militarily and politically, IMHO.'

And on another thread here I posted ' Lo and Behold, Justice'. BRAVO.

No accusations of American justice from me.

C'mon Chief - read my posts and at least withdraw the accusations you hurled at me. That was incorrect and needs to be put right, don't you think, avoids any hard feelings.

Originally Posted by Del Boy

C'mon Chief - read my posts and at least withdraw the accusations you hurled at me. That was incorrect and needs to be put right, don't you think, avoids any hard feelings.

DB ...

In this one case I don't appreciate your jokes. On 9/11 thousands of Americans were murdered by this louse and the operations that were carried out that placed a bullet in his brain is simple justice as far as I am concerned.

The wording of your post hinted that you agreed with Seno's comment that Americans would even consider putting Bin Laden's body through a woodchipper .. a comment that raised the hackles on the back of my neck (considering the fact that Americans cleaned his body, wrapped him in a sheet in accordance with Muslim doctrine, held a service (where they read from the Koran), and then buried him at sea). While there have been very infrequent cases of American troops violating basic human rights and desecrating human remains, the American military and the American people DO NOT PRACTICE THE DESECRATION OF BODIES ... EVEN WHEN IT IS AN ENEMY - something that is done on a regular basis by our terrorist enemies. Bin Laden (Enemy Number One), was handled with respect, was prepared for burial with respect, and buried with the normal respect and reverence that we would give one of our own.

I guess that I am tired of seing disrespect for America and for America's military. When disrespectful comments appear on a military forum where the majority of the members are military and ex-military ... then my funny-bone loses all of it's humor. I put up with that crappola when I came home from Vietnam. To see that crap aimed at our brave forces today, causes me to have a violent reaction towards those whose comments are in anyway disrespectful.

I may have over-reacted to your and Seno's comments .. HOWEVER, I had good cause. There are thousands of Osama Bin Laden's victims who aren't around to celebrate the louse's demise. What they would do to Bin Laden's remains is moot ... they are NOT around to make their feelings known.

F*ck that piece of rubbish, he got his.

Today I don´t drink in celebration of his death.
I drink in remembrance of the men who payed the ultimate price, uprooting, sending him on his way and finally caught up with and killed him.

Keep you eye on the ball here people.
Good men have sweated, bled and died hunting this bastard over a decade, while at the same time keeping the AOO some sort of safe for ordinary civilians.

To the fallen..

CHIEF BONES

You are insisting upon putting words into my mouth and disrespecting me in continuing to do so, having been warned. Show me anywhere on this forum where i have been anything but the best friend USA could have. Show me one item.

Don't smear me with your dodgy scenario. I have shown you my posts on this subject, which were there to be read, you should follow the narrative. I have been very patient.

As far as I was concerned Seno was making the point that his description was the fate OBL truly deserved. My mild joke was not that USA had done that, but that they certainly owed him it.

I have already told you you have me competely wrong and you have continued to point the finger.

Withdraw and apologise.

Well, at least you got my joke Delboy.

I fully understood that your earlier statement indicated no more than the fact that OBL got his just desserts, and you might point out to Chiefy that you made your statement before I made mine, and therefore could not have been agreeing with my joke about the woodchipper. It would appear that he's desperate to cover his rather stupid and oversensitive statements by trying to put words in your mouth.

Having said that, I will freely admit without any pangs of conscience whatsoever, as I did in the original post, that had his body been treated as I stated, I would not have been incensed on a personal level, but would have thought it to be a public relations and propaganda disaster, not to mention contravening the ICHR and a dozen other International conventions.

As for myself, all I did was point out to him the stupidity of his remarks that persons within the US forces would never desecrate a body. They have done it before, and I have little doubt that it has probably occured with Australian troops as well. I'm not proud of the fact, but I wouldn't get all upset if it were pointed out to me.

Well Seno - I thought that we dealt with the joke very well, a nice light touch in the circumstances and that my response to you was a cool unwritten compliment to the Americans having got their hands on him.

I respected how quickly you took up the cudgels re. authorship. I would not have hid behind that of course - but it was a pleasure to see how readily you inervened nevertheless. Just like old times.

Meanwhile I await a response from Chief Bones.

Reports are that Bin Laden was not armed when killed and the 'human shield' was actually someone caught in the crossfire. Now I recognise few will be concerned about him being dead. However, I might have expected some would have preferred him to be brought to trial and punishment. Shooting him is no different than giving Goering cyanide to escape the hangman's noose.

It makes me wonder if it was the official policy to kill and not capture him since it may have antagonised militants even more to see him ridiculed. Bin Laden had most to benefit from his own death anyway, it wouldn't have been a pleasant experience for him.