Biden blames US allies in Middle East for rise of ISIS

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US Vice-President Joe Biden has accused America’s key allies in the Middle East of allowing the rise of the Islamic State (IS), saying they supported extremists with money and weapons in their eagerness to oust the Assad regime in Syria.
America’s “biggest problem” in Syria is its regional allies, Biden told students at the John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University on Thursday.
“Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria,” he said, explaining that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “so determined to take down Assad,” that in a sense they started a “proxy Sunni-Shia war” by pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons” towards anyone who would fight against Assad.
“And we could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them,” said Biden, thus disassociating the US from unleashing the civil war in Syria.
“The outcome of such a policy now is more visible,” he said, as it turned out they supplied extremists from Al-Nusra Front and Al-Qaeda.

All of a sudden the regional powers that sponsored anti-Assad rebels awakened to the dawn of a major international security threat in the face of ISIS – now called Islamic State. After being essentially thrown out of Iraq it found open space and territory in eastern Syria and established close ties with the Al-Nusra Front which the US had earlier declared a terrorist group.
Now Washington needs a coalition of Sunni states to fight the Islamic State because “America can't once again go in to Muslim nation and be the aggressor, it has to be led by Sunnis, to attack a Sunni organization [the IS],” Biden said, acknowledging that it is for the first time that the US uses a geopolitical strategy.
“Even if we wanted it to be, it cannot be our fight alone,” Biden said. “This cannot be turned into a US ground war against another Arab nation in the Middle East.”
“But of what I’m more astonished is of his apparent amnesia about what America and Britain were trying to ferment in Syria only a year ago. They were not only putting staff intelligence personnel on the ground, and providing logistical support to the rebels in Syria; they were spearheading the campaign to try to oust Assad, former MI5 agent Annie Machon told RT.
She added that “Perhaps, the Vice President is finally learning some lessons from history. It does not matter who you think your friends are going to be in the region. Very often they will be taken over or subsumed into a more radical group.”
http://rt.com/news/192880-biden-isis-us-allies/
 
I think Uncle Joe is right on with this subject , the people in the mid-east have / had a problem they needed to address , the U.S. simply cannot afford them .
 
US Vice-President Joe Biden has accused America’s key allies in the Middle East of allowing the rise of the Islamic State (IS), saying they supported extremists with money and weapons in their eagerness to oust the Assad regime in Syria.
America’s “biggest problem” in Syria is its regional allies, Biden told students at the John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University on Thursday.
“Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria,” he said, explaining that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “so determined to take down Assad,” that in a sense they started a “proxy Sunni-Shia war” by pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons towards anyone who would fight against Assad.

The above is from your quote Hamidreza. Here is what gets me. The greatest offensive capabilities ISIS has came from them obtaining US weapons from the disintegrating Iraqi army this spring - summer. Before this their ability to wage conventional offensive war was limited. So the whole thing is crazy. Whatever weapons they had before this were not of the same caliber.
 
I think Turkey if willing could be the Rock and the coalition could be the hammer , Turkey is one tough customer as they showed during the Korean war .
 
They are likely a good ally with a good military. However currently from what I understand they just want too tighten up the border, no mention of sending in troops.
They have been helping by housing 100's of thousands of Kurdish refugees.
 
without the US approval non of the US allies in the region was/is allowed to support extremists and now they accusing each other for their support ridiculously. It was clear for them and for us that they were supporting Al-Qaeda and extremists at that time. But they knew that how to say lie to the world by their propaganda system.
Now ISIS is such a big terrorist group( in fact the biggest terrorist group in the world ) that they cannot control it and they see it as a threaten for themselves. Now I think ISIS is a more dangerous group for Sunni states than Iran or Syria because ISIS has a lot of fans and supporters in Sunni states but not in Shia states like Iran, Iraq or Syria.
 
I can sum up this culmination of blunders by both the U.S., as well as the Arab states backed by thereof in a short quote from Von Clausewitz:

"War is an extension of Politics, and Politics and extension of Economics".

Ever since Peak oil production hit the U.S. American interventionism in the Middle East has been conducted solely along the lines of pursuing easy oil access or eliminating all threats to the Petro Dollar ( protecting this one thing is paramount to most U.S. Foreign policy in the region.) in almost every circumstance.

The issue is we focus first ever time is on keeping both of these taps flowing moreover than dealing with the obvious aftermath of whatever mess we make in the process. ISIS just being the latest example.

In all honesty in 20 to 30 years after the Middle East Peaks, and if the U.S. is still economically viable , the American government will abandon the region, and it will devolve into bedlam. Or be controlled by a few major regional powers much how Russia bullies Eastern Europe around today.
 
I'm think that Turkey, Syria, Iran and Israel will stand up and fight against IS then their are gone forever this terrorist's of Islam.
 
I'm think that Turkey, Syria, Iran and Israel will stand up and fight against IS then their are gone forever this terrorist's of Islam.


Those parties are a little too busy disagreeing on many key interest in regional affairs to realistically work together, ISIS would have to be bombing all three and field a million man army before you see the likes of Iran and Israel showing any sense of large scale co operation.
 
IS don't win if these are involded in war against ISIS.

IS will have whole Middle East they do no can because they must lose of states of Israel, Libanon, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc. No mouslims states in whole Middle East because there all ready mouslims there and with democraty.

We lives in 21th century and not in near 15th or 14th in koran story but in west and asia it's 21st century. The koran don't understanding the bibel. We live in 21th century but it's only in last of 2014.

2015 next year.

God and Jesus is two powerful in bibel.

Edit. Democraty is important after Hitler Germany wars. Their lose against USA, Sovjet and UK.
 
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IS don't win if these are involded in war against ISIS.

IS will have whole Middle East they do no can because they must lose of states of Israel, Libanon, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc. No mouslims states in whole Middle East because there all ready mouslims there and with democraty.

We lives in 21th century and not in near 15th or 14th in koran story but in west and asia it's 21st century. The koran don't understanding the bibel. We live in 21th century but it's only in last of 2014.

2015 next year.

God and Jesus is two powerful in bibel.

Edit. Democraty is important after Hitler Germany wars. Their lose against USA, Sovjet and UK.


I think , and this is coming from an Fellow Christian it would be wise to look at this issue from a perspective that places common human rights and international law above any personal religious beliefs. In the light of world affairs and statesmanship it's ok to have individual values such as religious morals, however sometimes it's best to keep them on a personal level when dealing with social problems, this helps to ensure social groups who believe different than you do are not overlooked when dealing with their needs as well.

A few key points is that even in the primarily Muslim countries of Iraq and Syria, and now Lebanon for example are also home to many faiths and social demographics. Many minorities who are directly displaced by ISIS or under threat in these countries may not want to live under Christian values either so it is prudent that we understand this and don't let those personal beliefs override preserving their rights to do so and to a peaceful co existence. Especially with mutual respect to the Muslim majority not only from Christians but all walks of believe, even atheists.


When you force values on people a majority of the time it backfires. And right now it would only agitate this conflict and isolate those who are in need of humanitarian aide.

This is a regional social issue, not a religious one. ISIS's fervor seems to be a means to consolidate power, more over a tool than anything else by Bagdadhi to hold the group together.
 
I think , and this is coming from an Fellow Christian it would be wise to look at this issue from a perspective that places common human rights and international law above any personal religious beliefs. In the light of world affairs and statesmanship it's ok to have individual values such as religious morals, however sometimes it's best to keep them on a personal level when dealing with social problems, this helps to ensure social groups who believe different than you do are not overlooked when dealing with their needs as well.

A few key points is that even in the primarily Muslim countries of Iraq and Syria, and now Lebanon for example are also home to many faiths and social demographics. Many minorities who are directly displaced by ISIS or under threat in these countries may not want to live under Christian values either so it is prudent that we understand this and don't let those personal beliefs override preserving their rights to do so and to a peaceful co existence. Especially with mutual respect to the Muslim majority not only from Christians but all walks of believe, even atheists.


When you force values on people a majority of the time it backfires. And right now it would only agitate this conflict and isolate those who are in need of humanitarian aide.

This is a regional social issue, not a religious one. ISIS's fervor seems to be a means to consolidate power, more over a tool than anything else by Bagdadhi to hold the group together.

I must say Gud in swedish or Jesus to beleive on them. Can't beleving on right way bacause they never help me.

IS / ISIS is jihahdist as mouslims how never can win against Israel, Syria, Turkey and Iran if their goes in war against ISIS. Todays 25000 soldiers of ISIS in Iraq can't do nothing if their attack Iran how are strong enemy against IS.
 
I must say Gud in swedish or Jesus to beleive on them. Can't beleving on right way bacause they never help me.

IS / ISIS is jihahdist as mouslims how never can win against Israel, Syria, Turkey and Iran if their goes in war against ISIS. Todays 25000 soldiers of ISIS in Iraq can't do nothing if their attack Iran how are strong enemy against IS.


This same thought process was applied two years ago when the group was numbered only a few hundred militant fighters. Then they took Mosul. I think from a political and many officials say from a military standpoint under estimating their ability to destabilize the region would be foolish. Let alone the far reaching consequences simply ignoring the problem leading to further displacement of refugess, splinter groups forwarding violence into neighboring countries, along with a laundry list of other possible blow back scenarios.

It's not exactly a win lose boxing match scenario. If you stiff arm them they most likely won't just go away, rather break down and re kindle the ideology elsewhere and come back. This time we must the social ills that led to them coming to existence in the first or else we maybe dealing with new evolutions of ISIS and similar groups in this region for years to come.
 
Middle east is stronger than central and south America and Africa and maybe Europe but not Asia because theres strong countries of Japan, China, Thailand, Taiwan, South Korea and North Korea and Philippines and Malaysia.

:mrgreen:
 
Iran have big reserve and can take northern Africa there IS and ISIS are to.

1,8 million reserve for Iran - Global Power 2014.

But ISIS are smaller troops an Egypt and Etiopian armies.

Not the democraty nation's it's wrong with it's the islamic state(IS) are wrong for alla countries in northern Africa and Middle east. They are against democraty. USA and France bomb in northern Iraq were ISIS are.
 
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