THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN: Did it really save Britain in ww2?

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February 10th, 2011   #11
lljadw
 
An invasion (Sealion)was impossible for the following reasons bear in mind ,that if ONE of thse conditions was not accomplished,SL was impossible)
1) no air superiority above Southern England
1b) Bomber Command was not even engaged
2)the Germans had NOTHING to transport their troops
3)there also was nothing to transport ammunition,fuel,supplie,tanks,trucks,artillery,hor ses,...
4)Number 3 could not be unloaded on the coast;the Germans needed an intact harbour:this was impossible
5)there was no KM available to protect the invasion fleet
6)the weather :for the invasion and the buil-up;the Germans needed several weeks of good weather:this was impossible in september.For the incredulous :do some searching why Overlord was delayed from 5 to 6 june;do also some searching what happened to the Mulberries .
That Hitler was soft on the British is a stupid invention from stupid journalists;for the incredulous :do some searching wat happened to Coventry,Liverpool,London,etc..
Whatever:NONE of these conditions was fulfilled,thus,an invasion was impossible .
 
February 10th, 2011   #12
LeEnfield
 
 
Now I lived near Biggin Hill during the War and my father who was air crew and had come back to England via Dunkirk after the loss of France then went on to be a fighter controller at RAF Station Hawkinge during BoB.

Now was the RAF hard pressed during BoB well yes it was and it was a close run thing.
Now we had the planes but not the pilots and many of the pilots that were thrown into combat only had a few hours flying time on the Spitfire and Hurricane. The RAF had cover the whole of the East and south coast of the UK as Hitler did try pushing bombers in via the North Sea route from Norway. On many of the fighter stations in the south east much of their infrastructure had been badly damaged making the main fighter stations unusable and the fighters were sent sent out to work from small private airfields or from just fields. Gatwick which in those days was just a grass landing strip was pressed in use along with the old Croydon Aerodrome again this was just a grass field. There was a great problem on service and repair of fighters and that only eased when they changed there target from the airfields to London.

Did Hitler want to invade, well I think he did, if he didn't then why did he collect and covert thousands of barges all long the French and Belgium coast, and they stayed there till just after the 15th September.
Now these barges were hit most nights by the Bombers of the RAF and remember most of the bombers they had at this time were slow and already out dated.

Now the numbers of the German fighters and bombers could have kept the RN at bay if the RAF had been put out of action, and we all know what air power could do to ships even at that stage of the war. Then the RN would have to deal with a line of U Boats waiting to pick them off if they came south..

Harbours, now these could have been secured by a parachute drop any where in the South of England. If they dropped on to an airfield along the coast took that they could flown in supplies by J52's and then moved onto a near by port then it could have been a different story. In those summer days of 1940 there was little or nothing in the way of defence lines or pill boxes and they did not start to build these until after Dunkirk. We had lost most of the armies transport, tanks and heavy guns in France and have very little to fight with, yes we got the men back to build a new army but we had very little else.
Near where I lived there had been a strong point built in 1940 in case of an invasion I was taken up there by my mother who had my grandfather cavalry sword and she intended to fight to death on the barricade and if died with her then I could not have been a slave. Now the weapons there at the barricade where just a few rifles and mixture of swords, spears and picth forks and very little else. Unless you were there you would have no idea just how desperate things were.


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February 12th, 2011   #13
Korean Seaboy
 
 
No. The British were still strong, and invasion to the UK would have been a logistical problem. If the RAF was eliminated, then the German navy would have to face the Royal Navy, the strongest in the world, and the task of building enough transport ships were nightmarish enough
 
February 12th, 2011   #14
LeEnfield
 
 
The German landing craft were are already to go, the RN may have been the strongest in the world but it was scattered all over the world. The RN would have to have made there way through minefields, and fought of the countless air attacks, if you think they could have done it with out problems just look at the losses at Dunkirk and that was with RAF Air Support.
 
February 12th, 2011   #15
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by LeEnfield
The German landing craft were are already to go, the RN may have been the strongest in the world but it was scattered all over the world. The RN would have to have made there way through minefields, and fought of the countless air attacks, if you think they could have done it with out problems just look at the losses at Dunkirk and that was with RAF Air Support.
As I recall Scapa Flow had around 220 combat ready ships even after Dunkirk, the Kriegsmarine had barely 20 there is not a hope in hell that the Germans could have defended the invasion lanes.

I think I read that with the equipment available the Germans required 23 hours of unhindered access to the English coast to land the men, material and supplies they needed to secure a beachhead, now given the huge disparity in the combat strengths of the navies involved and the fact that the RAF would still have had fully operational bases further north to counter German aircraft in the invasion area I think we can safely say that no invasion was possible even with the Luftwaffe in control of the southern sector of Britain.


Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. - Voltaire 1694-1778
 
February 13th, 2011   #16
LeEnfield
 
 
The Royal Navel Strength at the end of 1939
15 Battleships & battle cruisers, of which only two were post-World War 1. Five 'King George V' class battleships were building.
7 Aircraft carriers. One was new and five of the planned six fleet carriers were under construction. There were no escort carriers.
66 Cruisers, mainly post-World War 1 with some older ships converted for AA duties. Including cruiser-mine layers, 23 new ones had been laid down.
184 Destroyers of all types. Over half were modern, with 15 of the old 'V' and 'W' classes modified as escorts. Under construction or on order were 32 fleet destroyers and 20 escort types of the 'Hunt' class.
60 Submarines, mainly modern with nine building.
45 escort and patrol vessels with nine building, and the first 56 'Flower' class corvettes on order to add to the converted 'V' and 'W's' and 'Hunts'. However, there were few fast, long-endurance convoy escorts.
This gave the RN a total of 372 ships to patrol ALL the worlds Oceans. and as you will see many of these were of a WW1 vintage. Now by 1940 they had already lost an Aircraft Carrier and a number of other ships. They had a large fleet in the Med as they were having several large battles with the Italian Navy. Many of the other ships were on escort duty with Convoys and with the threat of service raiders the battleships were often also on Escort duty. There was a large naval presence in the Indian ocean the South Atlantic and the Pacific so how you get 220 RN ships in Scapa Flow is beyond me. Also they had just lost the Royal Oak there and air attacks had badly damaged the Battleship Iron Duke in Scapa Flow