Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

No the AKSU doesn't fire a smaller cartridge. It fires the standard rifle cartridge of it's parent design. If it's a AKS-47U. It fires the 7.62X39mm M43 cartridge. And if it's a AKS-74U, it fires the 5.45X39mm cartridge. The Colt 9mm Cartridge is a SMG. It fires a pistol caliber. Just as the FNP90 fires a pistol cartridge. But the FnP90 falls under a different weapon catagory. It's a PDW. A Perosnal Denfense Weapon. So that's all a different game.

Thats what I meant the AKS-74U not the 47. The Colt 9mm is kinda large for an SMG.

Originally Posted by Craftsman

How is the f2000 not an assault rifle? Is there a new rule i don't know about? It is 5.56, it takes a 30 round magazine, it is selective fire, it has it's own 40mm grenade launcher. It has a short barrell (400mm), does that mean it's a carbine? Is a carbine not an asault rifle?

It sure as hell isnt a candy bar.

I'd say carbine, assault rilfes are a bit longer.

Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

I'd say carbine, assault rilfes are a bit longer.

you're judging what and assualt rifle is by LENGTH????
rather that by cappablilty?


the bullpup design means it still hasa rifles barrel length, but in a more compact package

A carbine can do the same thing as an assault rifle, it just shorter.

right, so all bullpup style weapons are carbines right?

I'd say most military rifles average 500mm barrel length.
Carbines 400-450mm
A Carbine is still an assault rifle in my book.

Thats why:

FN2000 isn't really an assault rifle.

Doesn't make sense to me.

Id say carbines come under the assault rifle label as they are just shortened versions of existing rifles for paratroops, special forces etc. there too big and the calibre is wrong for them to be smgs.
The M4 is a carbine and ive always thought of it as an assault rifle. And bullpups and rifles like the M16 have the same barrel length only the package they come in is smaller with the barrel moved backwards into the stock and the trigger moved to the front.

Originally Posted by Shadowalker

Id say carbines come under the assault rifle label as they are just shortened versions of existing rifles for paratroops, special forces etc. there too big and the calibre is wrong for them to be smgs.
The M4 is a carbine and ive always thought of it as an assault rifle. And bullpups and rifles like the M16 have the same barrel length only the package they come in is smaller with the barrel moved backwards into the stock and the trigger moved to the front.

but a bullpup is NOT a carbine, it has a rifle length barrel

Originally Posted by Craftsman

I'd say most military rifles average 500mm barrel length.
Carbines 400-450mm
A Carbine is still an assault rifle in my book.

Thats why:

Doesn't make sense to me.

How's that? A carbine is a carbine.

Originally Posted by chewie_nz

but a bullpup is NOT a carbine, it has a rifle length barrel

Sorry guess i didnt make myself clear, i think a bullpup is an assault rifle as i tried to say with the bit ive highlighted. Its not a carbine as it has the same barrel length as a full rifle