i have jungle boots for CAP and they are killing me in the winter

I was wearing a desert uniform, desert boots, OD green flak jacket, OD green web gear, had an a OD green ruck, OD green rain gear, drove an unarmoured OD green truck and I did not complain or refuse orders.

never said about them not getting punished, but just a question..were you reserve or active

I was reserves at the time, now I am active duty. Before I was in the Reserves, I was active duty for 4 years.

but were you thinking about active duty at the time before you were sent in, or were you just that patriotic

Originally Posted by drilldownmaster2004

but were you thinking about active duty at the time before you were sent in, or were you just that patriotic

What are you driving at here, drilldown? We have Active Duty, Reserve, and National Guard components overseas at this time, and each of them are equally, to my mind, patriotic.

And I would suggest you get a little more experience under your belt before you make a statement like this:

well...WELCOME TO BUSHLAND, I..ahh, I mean America. Here we fight we die and DON'T have armour

You haven't done a damn thing, to be blunt.

Originally Posted by Redneck

What are you driving at here, drilldown? We have Active Duty, Reserve, and National Guard components overseas at this time, and each of them are equally, to my mind, patriotic.

And I would suggest you get a little more experience under your belt before you make a statement like this:

But the fact is you still got the point, so it doesn't matter if it passes your level, I still got the point across


You haven't done a damn thing, to be blunt.

Originally Posted by drilldownmaster2004

But the fact is you still got the point, so it doesn't matter if it passes your level, I still got the point across

It would be smart to can the attitude, kid.
And, no, you did not get any point across, if you wish to participate in discussions here, make the effort to explain your positions, even if it requires you to make posts that are longer than a sentence fragment.

I think the whole thing comes down to professionalism. I'm not saying that anyone in particular is less professional than the other, it just happens that the people that in this case disobeyed orders happened to be reservists that probably didn't want to be there in the first place and equipment shortages just seem to be a convenient justification for them.
Like I said, I don't want to do down the reservists because it's not fair to tar everyone with the same brush, but this must surely be the first time in a while that the US has been stretched to the point where they've had to deploy them. For all the shortages the UK media have publicised over recent years, and all the places both the UK and the US have deployed, this is the first time I can think that I've heard of anyone from either country using such a lame excuse to disobey orders.
In fact, as I said before, unless those orders were illegal in the first place, there's no excuse at all. , they'll be wanting to talk to their union rep next.

I dont like the stance some people are taking against reservists. Yea these guys refused an order, so now you blame all reservists for being sorry soldiers?

My unit has outperformed our active counterparts every year we have conducted training. So now its all active troops are sorry soldiers just because someone outperformed them? Our reserve unit has been told we set the standard at several actions taken. One for example is rail loading and unloading...guess what? We arent quartermasters. The active guys were amazed at our performance. Guys dont drop ignorance because of an opinion. If these same troops who acted this way were air force, would you consider the air force as a whole just like these people? Do we really have to sit here in an open discussion and trash our fellow soldiers...even reservists have died in Iraq and other areas across the world, please dont forget that. Fellow reservists who have been injured are on waiting lists due to better medical care going to the active side of the house. We're sucking it up and driving on, I suggest you do the same.

As far as the topic goes, these guys should be punished, what should be the question here is why they did it? Intestinal fortitude? Lack of leadership? Lack of a good security detail? They have said its due to lack of armor, but we have had one of our battalions return who had to run around in soft top humvee's....yet they did their jobs as soldiers, not as measley reservists.