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November 21st, 2007   Post 11
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It's just typical "COULD THIS BE THE ANSWER TO AMERICAN IMPERIALISM???" hopeful and wishful thinking.
As for launching thousands at the US navy ships... well what are the odds that these ships will be in the range of at least five hundred of these launchers? How many of these launchers will there be in total? The cost of setting up something like that would be enormous and you're going to have to get it out of some other part of the military... say the Army or Air Force. That will lead to other weaknesses available to be exploited.
It's like saying the new Sukhoi series of aircraft are so good that the United States will no longer have air superiority. Utter rubbish.
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November 21st, 2007   Post 12
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November 22nd, 2007   Post 13
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America's weaknesses lie elsewhere. Currently, technology isn't one of them although with the Chinese improving like crazy it may be ten or fifteen years down the road.
We've heard about these Russian "wonder weapons" that will reign death on Yankee imperialists for ages.
The greatest threat to the US military is still the grenade, basic explosives and the AK-47.
 
December 26th, 2007   Post 14
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I can't say exactly what the warships have, but thye've got defenses. When it comes down to it, we just don't give up. There is a laundry list of ships that by rights should have sunk, but came back to fight, the most notable being the Cole and the Samuel b Roberts.
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December 26th, 2007   Post 15
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Originally Posted by wrc_619
I can't say exactly what the warships have, but thye've got defenses. When it comes down to it, we just don't give up. There is a laundry list of ships that by rights should have sunk, but came back to fight, the most notable being the Cole and the Samuel b Roberts.
What people don't realize is that the SunBurn is a cruise missile designed specifically in the 1990's to sink U.S Carrier Battle Groups. This is not a conventional AS missile like the Soviet Navy workhorse the AS-12 'Kitchen' or even the French 'Exocet' or our own 'Harpoon'. This is something totally unseen before. It flys at MACH 3, which means it can reach its maximum range (65 Miles) within 2 minutes. Not only is it faster than any other anti-ship missile in the world its also faster
than any anti-ship system currently available. It fly so fast there isn't even enough time to jam it. let alone launch a SAM or use a gun system.
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January 11th, 2008   Post 16
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a 22. LR round is a threat to your supremacy but that doesn't mean it is likely to be sinking a Nimitz Class Carrier anytime soon.
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January 11th, 2008   Post 17
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What people don't realize is that the SunBurn is a cruise missile designed specifically in the 1990's to sink U.S Carrier Battle Groups. This is not a conventional AS missile like the Soviet Navy workhorse the AS-12 'Kitchen' or even the French 'Exocet' or our own 'Harpoon'. This is something totally unseen before. It flys at MACH 3, which means it can reach its maximum range (65 Miles) within 2 minutes. Not only is it faster than any other anti-ship missile in the world its also faster
than any anti-ship system currently available. It fly so fast there isn't even enough time to jam it. let alone launch a SAM or use a gun system.
That is just simply not true after reading through numerous "sink a carrier" threads over at defense talk, with responses from people that work in the defense industry for a living.

I will give link to thread through PM if wanted but here is an exchange between a member and an pretty well known expert.

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Originally Posted by doggychow14
i still believe the best bet are sunburn missiles or Yakhon missiles. americans do not have the ability to shoot these missiles down let alone india. how ever in order launch these missiles many other indian navy ships must be sunk or disabled because i'm guessing that they won't just be sitting there as pakastan gets close enuf to launch such an attack
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gf0012-aust: absolute bollocks. the USN has trained against supersonic threats for the last 8 years (public declaration - but has been longer) In fact they have used russian missiles as the test beds (KH-31's).

The KH-31's were modified by Boeing and found to be inadequate to simulate sunburns and have been replaced.

At the last series of supersonic tests, 49 out of 50 supersonic launches were intercepted successfully.

The US was running supersonic ship strikes in 1958 - so the issue of how to counter them has been undertaken since then.
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Name 1 country that is capable of surging 250-500 strike platforms and able to penetrate a battle dispersed screen to a depth of 500km before being able to get to the centre of gravity of that fleet. Ans = 1 (if they're lucky). Even they (the Russians) have a fleet that is estimated to only have 20% of it's active penanted fleet seaworthy, and has an airforce that is progressively being sold off to India as they need the money. They won't sell off supersonic strike bombers and anti-shipping specific aircraft to China as they mistrust them. Out of all the platforms they have that are capable to go the distance and attempt to break the screen - well, they have less than 20 of them in total. They were even at the stage where last year they were prepared to lease Tu-142's to the USN so that they could practice swarmed strikes. They've been selling their missiles to the US (KH-31's and rumour has it some Sunburns) to act as Supersonic targets. China is not even a 10th of the capability of the Russian current ORBAT in capability. India arguably is better at AS roles than China in current capability and platform potential.

The US has spent 20 years training against supersonics (why some people think that a supersonic cruise is a new invention is beyond me ). The only navy and airforce that had the capacity to surge and swarm were the Soviets in the halcyon days of their navy and airforce - and even their post cold war documents indicated that they believed that less than 5% of their platforms would break the screen - let alone get the capital targets.
Hell I've even intercepted a few back in my Jane's Fleet Command days.
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January 13th, 2008   Post 18
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Originally Posted by wrc_619
I can't say exactly what the warships have, but thye've got defenses. When it comes down to it, we just don't give up. There is a laundry list of ships that by rights should have sunk, but came back to fight, the most notable being the Cole and the Samuel b Roberts.
I don't know too much about the small boys, but anybody that thinks he's gonna sink a Nimitz class anytime soon is a fool. I can't say what the defense system is but a friend of mine who was a FC2 told me once during the gulf war that nothing would be coming near us anytime soon So I'm not holding my breath. Don't know about the Sam Roberts, but the Cole was a cowardly attack.
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January 13th, 2008   Post 19
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So basically, the only counter to a carrier group remains a tactical nuke?
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January 13th, 2008   Post 20
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Well, yea maybe, all Nimitz class are supposedly capable of surviving a nuke attack as long as its not a direct hit.
 



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