Originally Posted by AZ_Infantry

It wasn't personal against you, bro, I was simply using your post to frame my thoughts (I did that earlier but it is buried pages back and I didn't want to disrupt the current flow).

Buddy, the reason WHY we have such a high crime rate (firearm related) is BECAUSE most people won't arm themselves and get training. Of course we're going to have ten times your gun crime rate: We have 100 times the guns y'all do. We are a free nation, not obliged to follow laws not aligned with our constitution. And before you go jumping on me, that is NOT a slam against your country! We simply have different laws here, and the guns are already here, and have been here for 200 years. Ban them all one wants, but they aren't going away (and I'll never give up mine - I fought for this country's freedoms, I have an honorable discharge, I have a right to my freedoms).

But put yourself in a criminal's shoes:

You're walking around wanting money for your drugs. You want my billfold. Are you REALLY going to take your tinkertoy Jennings .22 caliber rusty revolver and kill me while I am armed with a Kimber .45 with Ranger STX rounds, 2 spare mags, and 25 YEARS of practice training for that very scenario? Will you take that chance? Because I am NEVER alone, I am never in a place where I am alone, I am always aware of my surroundings. You may kill me in the hopes of $20, but those 10 other people that see you are going to kill you before you ever get to my wallet, period.

I don't advocate arming the uneducated. I advocate arming and educating. Your gun is always the last option, your brain always the first. Put a loaded gun in the hands of 90% of this country, then yes, it'd be catastrophe. But teach that 90%, educate them, train them, change their minds, and arming them means NO crime in this country.

Mark my words: A criminal wants an easy victim. 9 rounds of .45 ammo out of a quality gun in my hands is NOT an easy target.

Check fire before you blast me, bro - remember, this is just my opinion.

EDIT: EVERY SINGLE ONE of those shooting incidents you posted to 03 had other people around. What atrocity would have transpired if someone, ANYONE, would have stepped in with a gun and stopped those?

So much for 1-on-1 crime. You're destroying your own sources, bro. I still luv ya though!

I could just imagine an average American family sitting around the dinner table, tension has been simmering for days between dad and the eldest teenage son, a heated argument breaks out, and everyone (all well trained and educated) go for their guns! God help us!

Or a steak knife. So let's ban those too.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

Or a steak knife. So let's ban those too.

Who says "ban them"? Read AZ infantry very carefully again.

Originally Posted by errol

I could just imagine an average American family sitting around the dinner table, tension has been simmering for days between dad and the eldest teenage son, a heated argument breaks out, and everyone (all well trained and educated) go for their guns! God help us!

Good thing your imagination has no bearing on reality.

We have guys kicked to death on a weekly basis, trying to protect their homes from packs of ferral youths, such that smirk even when convicted. We have little boys shot by ferral youths on bicycles etc. How I would like to see these monsters confronted. How good it would be if they considered - if I kick that front door in I might get a bullet right between the eyes.

We should ban feet.

How about eyes, too? You can't hurt someone if you can't find him!

They can with touch. Ban hands.

Originally Posted by justin1552

That's exactly what I agree with and inevitably will happen. Criminals break laws, they don't care what the government does.

exactly, theres always going to be the criminal, and they always find ways to get their hands on things they shouldn't.

It's the typical way we solve problems now.

Bad guy does something bad, legal people get reprimanded.
Illegal immigration is a problem, make legal immigration harder.
Dude with illegal firearm is a problem, make legal ownership harder.

I guess with millions and millions of lawyers, we have to put them to work one way or another. Why not just go ahead and screw up the whole country and suffocate people with laws that make no sense?