I can't wait, i'll keep any weapons I get there, like a secret armory.

mmarsh I didn't say most of my friends vote red. Just the ones who own firearms.

I have never understood how you can have gun owners vote and support candidates that are against the second amendment. It just blows away my mind. How can gun owners support someone like Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. Both are political figures that have and currently do wish to destroy the second amendment and limit the legal rights of the people of the United States of America.

Every gun owner that I know currently is supporting candidates that are in the Republican Party. Not all members of the Republican Party are pro-gun but they are few within the party. As with the Democratic Party there are far more anti-gun candidates then pro-gun candidates.

Having gun owners vote for and support candidates that are anti0gun is the same as I supporting and voting for a candidate that wishes to outlaw the first amendment.

"A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

What is so hard to understand?

They understand these without an issue...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

In the First and Fourth Amendment the "people" means just that..... the "people" not the "state". But according to those that wish to strip you and I of our rights to keep and bear arms. The "people" means the "state". I don't see it... last time I checked it very simple. "People" means "People", "State" means "State", and "shall not infringe" means SHALL NOT INFRINGE!

'Nuff Said.......

I don't see America's gun culture "fading", but there is no doubt that more and more people are trying to make the gun laws more appropriate to the 21st century.

The biggest problem that i see will be trying to get sensible change. The harder the NRA push in one direction, the harder their opponents are going to push against them, consequently the argument becomes highly radicalised. If this attitude continues, and I'm sure that it will, the outcome, what ever way it goes, will not be good.

In my opinion most of the troubles that the USA is experiencing at the moment, are not caused by the Gun laws, but the stupid glorification of the "gun culture" as seen in movies and on TV, this is further exacerbated by the attention given to serial killers and their like in the media. If there was no media hype half of the serial killing would never happen as when these people are caught, it is most often the public attention and infamy that attracted them in the first place. This also applies to the gangstas who see it as being cool, or whatever the term is today.

My personal view is that any person using a firearm in the commission of, or promotion of a crime, should lose all rights to the normally accepted rules of law, and be subject to being shot on sight by any Law Enforcement Officer. If you behave like an animal, you get treated as an animal.

Yeah, I'm a Neanderthal, and I'm proud of it.

It works..... an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

When I'm working at do use the "If you behave like an animal, you get treated as an animal" theory. I use professionalism and respect but when they don't give me that back I go to 100% ******* and I don't let the damn scum run my scene. I'm in charge and if they don't like it tough ****.....

As for the radicalization. It is happening but only on the side that wishes to disarm us. They are going to more and more deplorable acts and lies while those on the right side are simply stating the truth and cold hard facts. More guns in law abiding citizen's hands reduce crime.

I don't like voting for folks who are against the second amendment. But I also don't like voting for people who invade countries for no reason, suspend habeas corpus, and s*** on the 4th Amendment.

Rather vote for a gun banner and lose my guns "in a fishing accident" than vote for someone who will be terrible for the country.

Each has their own priorities.
A war will pass. But a gun ban will probably last a LONG time.

I don't think an outright ban will occur in my time, but eventually the public will grow tired of drive by shootings, random murders, snipers and school yard massacres and something will happen.

The pro gun community should be looking at the reasons why gun crimes are so prevalent and trying to get something done about it instead of taking all of the rap for everything that is being blamed on "guns". We all know that guns are inanimate objects, so therefore the blame should be on a certain part of the community who has access to them.

If gun owners do not start actively trying to stop the trend in gun crime, there is no doubt in my mind that they will eventually lose everything, it's just a matter of time.

All that Pro Gun rallies etc., do is antagonise the anti gunners, you're going to need something far better than that. Don't under estimate them, they are growing in strength every time someone is affected by a crime involving guns.

I don't believe that gun crime is as prevalent as the antis would have us believe. I have no evidence to back up that statement, which is why I used "believe" as a disclaimer, but I do know that gun crime and gun violence are often bracketed together to make one statistic. In that regard, a felon riding in his buddy's car with a single round of ammunition in it can (and often does) get charged with a probation violation for firearms - hence, it adds to the "gun crime" statistic. There are lots of scenarios like that.

The secret to solving gun crimes isn't much of a secret, and it isn't banning guns. Criminals will ALWAYS have access to firearms - that's why they are criminals: They do not respect the law. If we want to get rid of crime, stop being sheep, learn to shoot, get some balls, buy a gun and carry it. POOF. There go your crime statistics.

Criminals prefer unarmed victims. Period. Joe Schmuck with his rusty .22 Jennings revolver isn't going to go toe to toe with my Kimber .45 and my training to place two to the chest and one to the head and then to empty the mag and reload. The $20 in my billfold isn't worth it. He's going to go find the Emo guy down the street smoking a joint with a peace sign pinned to his shirt.

The problem is that the sheep will never understand the concept of violence. Their Utopia is to take away the objects used for violence; they cannot comprehend that violence only ends with a greater level of violence in return. A little bleach in the gene pool, if you will pardon the seemingly cold statement.

I shudder at the thought of running around scared of everything that goes bump because I refuse to accept the idea that I need to take care of myself rather than waiting 20 minutes for Mr. Police Officer to come to my rescue. Worse than that, it is abhorrent to me that anyone would walk around unarmed - if you come across 3 dudes raping a chick, what are you going to do? Hide in the bushes and phone the police? Get yourself killed and she still gets abused?

People need to wake up. They need to come to the realization that less guns and more police (and this by NO MEANS an offense to you, 5.56!) are not solutions to violent crime. Making the crime not worth it is what stops crime. Burglars don't break into houses guarded by an alarm and a German Shepard, and thieves won't assault you if you're carrying and have the training to properly and responsibly dispatch them to hell where they belong.

The "secret" to ending gun crime is to remove the motivation and not be a victim. Stand up and be a man.

Originally Posted by AZ_Infantry

The secret to solving gun crimes isn't much of a secret, and it isn't banning guns. Criminals will ALWAYS have access to firearms - that's why they are criminals: They do not respect the law. If we want to get rid of crime, stop being sheep, learn to shoot, get some balls, buy a gun and carry it. POOF. There go your crime statistics.

Can I ask where this method of crime prevention has ever worked?

Criminals prefer unarmed victims. Period. Joe Schmuck with his rusty .22 Jennings revolver isn't going to go toe to toe with my Kimber .45 and my training to place two to the chest and one to the head and then to empty the mag and reload. The $20 in my billfold isn't worth it. He's going to go find the Emo guy down the street smoking a joint with a peace sign pinned to his shirt.

Tell me what happens if Joe Schmuck decided he wants the $20 billfold more than you think and shoots you first?
There is just as strong an argument to say that those who place no value on peoples lives or property are going to evolve along with the "counter tactics" and rather than pointing a gun and demanding your money they will shoot first and take the money. Boy thats going to a be a fun society when "shoot first and ask questions later" becomes a national policy.

The problem is that the sheep will never understand the concept of violence. Their Utopia is to take away the objects used for violence; they cannot comprehend that violence only ends with a greater level of violence in return. A little bleach in the gene pool, if you will pardon the seemingly cold statement.

Ever notice that sheep don't kill each other?
Ever heard of a sheep taking pipe bombs and guns into the shearing shed and killing 20 of his flock-mates?

I am going to agree with Spike on this one, the intransigence of gun owners and their lobby groups will in the end backfire.