Just one note....

The majority of these arguments are based upon the fact that all if not most of Americans are law abiding...

With over 3000 felonies on the books alone most even "law abiding" citizens are more than likely breaking some sort of law or ordinance...

That being said even people that say they are "law abiding" even break the law...

Oh definitely... But this is a tad more serious than a speeding ticket, wouldn't you say Donkey?



BTW Chukpike, way to stay on the topic!

Wasnt comparing to a speeding ticket was more or less saying that what Americans express as morals and what they actually do are widely different.

Further more since gun registration is only voluntary there is a lot of unaccounted for weapons which would make it rather hard for the gov't to round them up.

This country was founded on turning against its government, nothing is out of the relm of possibility.

You're right, but I think things have changed slightly since the founding of this nation...

I realize you weren't comparing it to a speeding ticket, but I was trying to make the point that breaking little laws aren't like denying the government access to your weapons... Chances are, if it ever came to that, denying them would be a lot more hefty of a consequence than a fine or a revoked license... The majority of Americans do break some laws, but not laws that would cost them severely...

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

Damn right. We were sweating that the ANC didnt get a 2/3rds majority in the recent elections, which is needed to change the constitution. The ANC have stated (although denied later) that if they get the 2/3rds majority they were going to change the constitution. Anyones guess what they would have changed, but statements have been made that changes would include immunity for the president against being charged with crimes.

The ANC narrowly missed the 2/3rds majority by 1%, too close for comfort.

Here in the US, Congress can propose an amendment to the Constitution and with a 2/3rds majority vote send the proposed amendment to all the States. When they receive approval from 3/4s of the states the amendment can become law.

As an example: Congress originally proposed what became the 27th Amendment (having to do with timing of congressional pay raises), at the same time as what became the Bill of Rights (1st Ten amendments).
It was not ratified until 3/4s of the states approved it in 1992.

A state can also propose an amendment and when it has gained approval from 3/4s of all the states it can be sent to the US Congress for mandatory addition to the Constitution.

So it should be clear that the Congress, by itself, cannot amend the US Constitution.

Rob since you are moderating I will try and stay on topic.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

Here in the US, Congress can propose an amendment to the Constitution and with a 2/3rds majority vote send the proposed amendment to all the States. When they receive approval from 3/4s of the states the amendment can become law.

As an example: Congress originally proposed what became the 27th Amendment (having to do with timing of congressional pay raises), at the same time as what became the Bill of Rights (1st Ten amendments).
It was not ratified until 3/4s of the states approved it in 1992.

A state can also propose an amendment and when it has gained approval from 3/4s of all the states it can be sent to the US Congress for mandatory addition to the Constitution.

So it should be clear that the Congress, by itself, cannot amend the US Constitution..

I wish we had this kind of protection, we don't. With a 2/3rds majority the ANC can change the constitution, tear it up and basically do as they please.

South Africa is the next Zimbabwe.

Originally Posted by Wallabies

South Africa is the next Zimbabwe.

Thats whats worrying us. South Africa is already going down that road.

They said the same thign about the 18th and banning our booze. That didn't happen crim went up and nascar was invented(inside joke if you know the background of Nascar and how it started).

You can't force Americans I mean sheesh we fight about everything because we are fighters. You wont take our weapons without Crim going up. More Gun related murders would happen and the Tommy Gun and the Chicago Typewriter have a fun time.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Oh definitely... But this is a tad more serious than a speeding ticket, wouldn't you say Donkey?



BTW Chukpike, way to stay on the topic!

BTW: You don't moderate anything......ain't tellin you again.