That's an impossibility. Even if they caught everyone by surprise and folks didn't have time to stash their weapons, there are a lot of simple firearms designs that are easy to make in a developed country. Besides, if it gets to the point where they're doing Night of the Long Knives type stuff this country's already over with and not worth fighting for. Maybe worth escaping.

The right to bear arms is one of the great things about America. One of the things that sets it apart from many other countries... unlike many other folks, you have full authority to defend yourself up to the use of deadly force.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Funny video BritinAfrica. I enjoyed it.

Whats funny about it?

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

All those murders, rapes, and assaults are not being prevented by big rifles and the like... They're being prevented by .38 specials. Little cricket guns that pack enough punch to keep an attacker at bay.

Whats your idea of a big rifle? 375 H&H, 416 Rigby, 4 Bore? Please define what you are talking about when you mention "Big Rifles." How do you know that murders or rapes are not prevented by rifles, how much research have you carried out that supports your claim?

I live on a farm, a rifle is far better for self defence in the event of an invasion on my property. A bolt action Lee Enfield with its 10 round magazine is good, but a semi auto is better. If the criminals are close enough for me to engage with a handgun, they are too damn close. Here in South Africa, criminals dont invade farm property in one or two's, on most invasions there are in excess of 10 persons.

I've been around firearms for over 45 years and I have never seen or heard of a cricket gun. Define what you mean by "pack enough punch." I have known incidents where a 45 ACP or even a 12 bore shotgun hasnt put a criminal down.

How much knowledge do you have regarding internal, external and wound ballistics? From your comments, not a lot.

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

Whats funny about it?

Whats your idea of a big rifle? 375 H&H, 416 Rigby, 4 Bore? Please define what you are talking about when you mention "Big Rifles." How do you know that murders or rapes are not prevented by rifles, how much research have you carried out that supports your claim?

I know murders and rapes aren't prevented by rifles because murders and rapists first nab their victims and take them somewhere to commit the crime. For those that DO occur in the home of the victim, they could be prevented by a rifle, but by and large, criminal attacks occur outside the home. I ask you, how much research have you actually done on it?

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

I live on a farm, a rifle is far better for self defence in the event of an invasion on my property. A bolt action Lee Enfield with its 10 round magazine is good, but a semi auto is better. If the criminals are close enough for me to engage with a handgun, they are too damn close. Here in South Africa, criminals dont invade farm property in one or two's, on most invasions there are in excess of 10 persons.

I was referring more along the lines of kidnapping (which leads to rape and murder) or robbery. Not property invasion... And it's like you said, a bolt action with a 10 round magazine is fine. And what goes on in South Africa ISN'T what goes on in the rest of the world... Here in the United States, the majority of crimes are property invasion by one or two people... We don't have gangs of 10 invading the farm. Laws are different for different countries with different problems.

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

I've been around firearms for over 45 years and I have never seen or heard of a cricket gun. Define what you mean by "pack enough punch." I have known incidents where a 45 ACP or even a 12 bore shotgun hasnt put a criminal down.

It was a nick name... I just meant a smaller sized pistol. Ever seen Men In Black? I guess not.......

You say you've known instances where a 12 bore shotgun didn't put a criminal down... Did that criminal happen to be in full riot gear? Short of a bullet proof vest and a helmet, I don't see how that's possible. Unless of course the criminal was 100+ yards away when the shot was fired. Shotguns aren't effective that far away, don'tcha know.

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

How much knowledge do you have regarding internal, external and wound ballistics? From your comments, not a lot.

Obviously not as much as your all-knowingness, oh great lord and master of all things weapon.

If you don't hit something vital it doesn't matter if you're using a .50 Beowulf, that guy can still fight for a few seconds to minutes if he's on adrenaline, PCP, or something like that.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

I highly doubt there will ever be a point in which ALL guns are in the hands of the police and military.

thats because your young, and hopeful of the return of the kinder gentler world that we had before 911

You don't think that can happen, wolfen?

Yes I think it could and will if this country keeps going like it is right now, it starts with all law abiding people registering all their weapons, then the govt knows what you have , next the automatic weapons become illegal to own, (doesn't bother me I have no need for a automatic)
next the govt gets scared of the people with guns after they sit down and actually count the number of gun owners in the US.
thats when the mass panic starts, the govt starts with the shotguns, and rifles, then they take all the handguns.
One day all the law abiding people no longer have any guns.
remember the criminals who use guns to commit crimes? Well they didn't bother to register their guns, do the simple math and you will figure out who still has a gun.
ANY country that fears its govt or ANY govt that fears its people is destined to fail.

I meant the whole "world before 9/11" thing... You really don't think there's any way the world can get back to that?


As far as the whole "government takeover" goes... Again, I doubt it. The government isn't that stupid... Politicians aren't that stupid. They wouldn't dare try and take away the guns from the people because the people would boot them out of office.
And the day that power is taken away from us as citizens, THEN we can get scared. When we can no longer who we put into government, then we can raise all hell. We can revolt. But until that day comes, the people have the ultimate authority.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

I highly doubt there will ever be a point in which ALL guns are in the hands of the police and military.

This is rare, but I agree with Rob on that point.