And yet the Constitutional discussion bears on the topic and the original question. Besides the original question was a hypothetical.......so the discussion continues, without your moderation attempts.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Okay, I'll be blunt. The argument isn't about the Constitution being a living document. It's about what would happen if we were given 24 hours to surrender our weapons. It wasn't about what the 13 colonies did, it's about what we would do. It's not about freedom of speech, it's about the right to bear arms.

"Okay, I'll be blunt"
Be what ever you want to be its a free country, as long as you keep your gun handy and your powder dry.

"The argument isn't about the Constitution being a living document."
I never said it was.

"It's about what would happen if we were given 24 hours to surrender our weapons."
No, it is about what each individual US citizen would do.
Quote from the original post:
"So if you are a US citizen. What would you really do if you had 24 hours to surrender your weapons?",

"It wasn't about what the 13 colonies did, it's about what we would do. It's not about freedom of speech, it's about the right to bear arms."
Giving reasons to support a persons position is considered proper in most debates.

"it's about the right to bear arms."
No, it is not.We all ready have that right. It is about taking that right away.

Why do you continually try and change the topic?

Originally Posted by Chukpike

Not sure what you are talking about. I did not mean this as a joke. You made a decision that is all there is to it.

Believe me it's a joke, a stupid joke with no validity, but never the less, only a joke.

Gun banning could be accomplished by whittling away a little at a time state by state. That is why it is important not to give an inch at the State level. It is also why it is important that the States and Federal government be reminded of their agreement to the people.(The Bill of Rights) It won't happen over night as it did in your country.

No one said it would happen overnight in your country, however a hypothetical question was raised asking what would you do if it did happen.

As for your statement, "your precious Constitution"
Damn right.
It also gives us freedom of speech.

Nothing is free, including your much vaunted "freedom of speech" There are books full of laws regarding what you may or may not say. You believe far too much of your own propaganda.

There is none so blind as he who does not want to see.

Don't know what this means, unless you didn't tell us you were a felon and they took your guns for that reason? How's that for poor guess work?

Very very poor, obviously you are struggling here. Even more stupid than your comment about me having "given up" my right the own firearms. (shakes head).

There's really only one way we know the answer for all this.
It's a bit like asking a guy what he'll be like and what he'll do in the event of a large scale war (I'm talking about stuff with WWI, WWII and Korea casualty figures). No one knows until he actually goes off to war and take part. Before you engage the enemy lots of folks talk smack about what they'll do etc etc only to realize that the reality is different.
I think the same can be said about this really. Lots of folks will scream "over my dead body" etc etc but when it really comes down to it, no one knows what the people in this forum or anywhere for that matter will act.
Hopefully such a day will not come. At least, not anytime soon.

Originally Posted by senojekips

Believe me it's a joke, a stupid joke with no validity, but never the less, only a joke.

No one said it would happen overnight in your country, however a hypothetical question was raised asking what would you do if it did happen.Nothing is free, including your much vaunted "freedom of speech" There are books full of laws regarding what you may or may not say. You believe far too much of your own propaganda.

There is none so blind as he who does not want to see.

Very very poor, obviously you are struggling here. Even more stupid than your comment about me having "given up" my right the own firearms. (shakes head).

Whatever (shakes head)

You need to remember that the Constitution was not written to empower the people; it was written to deny power to the federal government. The Constitution was meant to be a very heavy set of chains to keep the central, federal government in slavery to the States and people. Jefferson, Madison, Patrick Henry, and most others distrusted "consolidated power" and wanted to keep most power closest to the people (not anonymous and remote), to keep politicians in fear of the people.

I can think of only one group politicians fear today. It's a conservative, armed, religious, right. What they call "Fly Over Country" and "People who cling to their guns and religion".

Originally Posted by Chukpike

"The argument isn't about the Constitution being a living document."
I never said it was.

Yet you (and others) were arguing it as valid in the debate.... By answering that part of the post, you tried to make it part of the argument.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

"It's about what would happen if we were given 24 hours to surrender our weapons."
No, it is about what each individual US citizen would do.
Quote from the original post:
"So if you are a US citizen. What would you really do if you had 24 hours to surrender your weapons?",

Very good... And I didn't say anything otherwise... Simply what would happen if we (US citizens) would do if we were given 24 hours to surrender our weapons.

Originally Posted by Chukpike

"It wasn't about what the 13 colonies did, it's about what we would do. It's not about freedom of speech, it's about the right to bear arms."
Giving reasons to support a persons position is considered proper in most debates.

So... If we were having a debate on women's rights, could I use the Middle Ages as a valid example? I didn't think so. Two different times. You'll have to come up with something a little more recent than 200+ years ago. Just goes to show how many holes are actually in your argument...

Originally Posted by Chukpike

"it's about the right to bear arms."
No, it is not.We all ready have that right. It is about taking that right away.

It's still about that right... I didn't say it was about trying to gain it... I said it was about the right itself... Read Chukpike.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

You need to remember that the Constitution was not written to empower the people; it was written to deny power to the federal government. The Constitution was meant to be a very heavy set of chains to keep the central, federal government in slavery to the States and people. Jefferson, Madison, Patrick Henry, and most others distrusted "consolidated power" and wanted to keep most power closest to the people (not anonymous and remote), to keep politicians in fear of the people.

Wait.... What? You think the Constitution wasn't written to empower the people?!?! That's probably the scariest thing I've ever read on this forum! OF COURSE it was written to empower the people... That's why any rights not specifically mentioned in the Constitution went to the States and to the people. To make sure the people held the cards.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

I can think of only one group politicians fear today. It's a conservative, armed, religious, right. What they call "Fly Over Country" and "People who cling to their guns and religion".

I promise you, they do NOT fear them for the reasons you think they do. They fear them because they see that survival of the fittest, adapting to your new environment, CHANGE is the only way to live in this modern age, and that conservative, armed, religious right is ALWAYS opposed to it. There's a reason the symbol for the Republican Party is a donkey... Donkey's are stubborn... And stubborn refusal to accept change is NOT going to do America a whole lot of good. We can see how much it's done it in the past....

Actually, it's the elephant. A creature known for its memory. Maybe they remember why the 2nd Amendment is necessary in the first place. CHANGE is not the only mode. Change when you must, and when it will benefit America. Don't do it because it's the trendy rallying cry these days. Hopefully in the end Obama will prove a centrist who disappoints his supporters and disproves his critics.

Originally Posted by major liability

Actually, it's the elephant. A creature known for its memory. Maybe they remember why the 2nd Amendment is necessary in the first place. CHANGE is not the only mode. Change when you must, and when it will benefit America. Don't do it because it's the trendy rallying cry these days. Hopefully in the end Obama will prove a centrist who disappoints his supporters and disproves his critics.

You're right... I really don't know why I said that..... Twisting it to my own ends I suppose.... It fit well though, didn't it?



The 2nd Amendment is necessary to American survival. Yes, I said it. You can copy it and quote me whenever you like, because my position on that won't change any time soon. What ISN'T necessary to American survival is having access to the same type and amount of weapons as one of the top militaries in the world.


When it gets down to brass tacks... If I was asked to surrender my weapons... I would. There's no reason for me to be harmed over a few pieces of metal. I'd raise all hell politically, and I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one... But no, I would not DIE defending my right to keep guns.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

There's a reason the symbol for the Republican Party is a donkey... Donkey's are stubborn... And stubborn refusal to accept change is NOT going to do America a whole lot of good. We can see how much it's done it in the past....

Originally Posted by major liability

Actually, it's the elephant. A creature known for its memory. Maybe they remember why the 2nd Amendment is necessary in the first place.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

You're right... I really don't know why I said that..... Twisting it to my own ends I suppose.... It fit well though, didn't it?

I'm pretty sure your college would appreciate you not telling anyone you go there.