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August 1st, 2006   Post 1
EagleHammer
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Post; Allow Iran To Have WMD.?


I don't whant Iran to have Weapons Of Mass Destruction,

Having said that i think The Unites States should mind their own F******
Busines, What makes them think the can control Iran, When they them self has Nuclear Weapons.? I know they aren't the only one protesting it but i think they have the biggest problem with it. .
 
August 1st, 2006   Post 2
Rabs
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I don't whant Iran to have Weapons Of Mass Destruction,

Having said that i think The Unites States should mind their own F******
Busines, What makes them think the can control Iran, When they them self has Nuclear Weapons.? I know they aren't the only one protesting it but i think they have the biggest problem with it.
Iran: "Israel needs to be whiped off the face of the map! oh oh btw, were gona start enriching uranium."

US: "uh.... no"


Use some common sense dude, do you really want that nutjob in Iran to have any kind of weapon let alone a WMD. You can be pretty sure that Bush isnt gona wake up tommrow and go. "oh hey japan, round 2 biatches"

Iran will, there complety insane.

Also if the US did this minding its own business crap, the world would look a good bit diffrent than it does today, and not for the better.
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August 1st, 2006   Post 3
sandy
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Originally Posted by Rabs
Iran: "Israel needs to be whiped off the face of the map! oh oh btw, were gona start enriching uranium."

US: "uh.... no"
Don't worry like that.
The azan"Death to Israel!" is often used agitprop in middle east.
Now,That is just Traditional event.
Khātamī tried to change Iran,but US called Iran as Axis of Evil.
As a result,Ahmadinejad was elected at the top of the poll with wide-spread support among young voters.
That was completely mistake.
Moderation in all things
But,It is no use crying over spilt milk.
We should pressure Iran to give up nuclear plogram.
 
August 1st, 2006   Post 4
Rabs
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The azan"Death to Israel!" is often used agitprop in middle east.
See, thats a problem. You cant have large rallies chanting death to Israel when your trying to get nuclear weapons. Its just a bad idea.
 
August 2nd, 2006   Post 5
therise21
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Originally Posted by EagleHammer
I don't whant Iran to have Weapons Of Mass Destruction,

Having said that i think The Unites States should mind their own F******
Busines, What makes them think the can control Iran, When they them self has Nuclear Weapons.? I know they aren't the only one protesting it but i think they have the biggest problem with it. .

its very easy to criticize something, but why dont you share with us what you think should be done?
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August 2nd, 2006   Post 6
Ollie Garchy
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Who cares about Iranian nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are not as "good" as everyone seems to think. They are not a panacea weapon.

1. MAD concepts: The use of nuclear devices by state actors is unthinkable. A first-strike by Tehran would only risk their own extinction. Israel and the US would turn Iran into a glowing pile of rubble. Not even state Shi'ite thinking is this crazy.

2. Poor Technology: Iran would still require the means to transport a nuclear device to the target. Their rockets are pathetic and they require at least another 10-20 years of development. The problem relates to warhead size and carrying capacity. Miniaturization and boosted rocket capacities require expensive technology that is way out of Iran's league. Israel already has all of this. Iranian nuclear weapons would not level the playing field.

3. Terrorists & Nuclear Weapons?: This is pure fantasy. Hezbollah will never gain a nuclear device via Iran or Pakistan or North Korea, etc. These states would be signing their own death warrant. The US proved capable of invading Iraq owing to the SUSPICION of nuclear development. The destruction of Tel Aviv would witness the immediate end of Islamic rule in the Middle East. All suspects would be permamently neutralized. And countries like Turkey or Egypt or Jordan would join the global United Nations operation.

Nor would, in my opinion, Hezbollah ever use such a device. The stakes are too high. The end result would be the permanent obliteration and occupation of the Middle East by NATO. The Israeli revenge would, furthermore, be terrible. We would not even hear about the killings because the media would not even report them.
 
August 2nd, 2006   Post 7
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Originally Posted by Ollie Garchy
The use of nuclear devices by state actors is unthinkable. A first-strike by Tehran would only risk their own extinction. Israel and the US would turn Iran into a glowing pile of rubble. Not even state Shi'ite thinking is this crazy.
But what Israel just worries about is that Iran can obtain enough nuke and possible missiles to destroy Israel in one time if enough time is given to Iran no matter the time is ten or twenty years.
At that time, even Iran is destroied in the world, Israel is too! So Israel wants to wipe out all nuck fatories immediately. It will be a very headache problem for the US and Israel if Iran has counter-attack ability with its nuke.
 
August 2nd, 2006   Post 8
EagleHammer
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Originally Posted by Rabs
See, thats a problem. You cant have large rallies chanting death to Israel when your trying to get nuclear weapons. Its just a bad idea.
And you don't think Iran whant's to be safe if the United States Call them Axis Of Evil, or what they said.?

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Originally Posted by therise21
its very easy to criticize something, but why dont you share with us what you think should be done?
The Country's that don't have Nuklear Weapons could pressure Iran to Stop, not the Country's that have them, they are Hypocritical(I think that's the right word.).

Last edited by Missileer; August 2nd, 2006 at 17:16. Reason: Double Post. Use the edit command instead.
 
August 2nd, 2006   Post 9
fingolfin361
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I'd have to agree with Ollie...

All said and done, whether the West wants to admit it or not, Iran is a Nation, not a terrorist organisation. They really wouldn't take such a step. A head of state would only order something as drastic as nuking only if they were clinically insane, which, again, admit it or not, the Ahnadinejad is not. And i dont really think he would even have the authority to do it. I think at the end of the day REALLY massive decisions like this would have to be made by the Ayatuallah.

Also, don't really be so sure about the fact that the world would be a lot worse if the American foreign policy wasnt as it is.

In principle, I think Eagle has a point. When the CTBT was becoming an issue, we didnt sign. The feeling was that the then Nuclear powers were sticking their noses in where they didnt belong, that it was unfair that they tried to curb other nations from having Nuclear arsenal, thus maintainig them as the sole nuclear powers.
 
August 2nd, 2006   Post 10
Rabs
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A head of state would only order something as drastic as nuking only if they were clinically insane, which, again, admit it or not, the Ahnadinejad is not
Are you sure about that? Hes a relegious weirdo, hes building shrines to prepare for the comeing of the messiah, hes pretty nuts.



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The Country's that don't have Nuklear Weapons could pressure Iran to Stop, not the Country's that have them, they are Hypocritical(I think that's the right word.).

That sounds nice, theres not too many non-nuclear countries that have didly squat in the way of influence.
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And you don't think Iran whant's to be safe if the United States Call them Axis Of Evil, or what they said.?
Well considering there nuke program was going on even before that speech. There also doing a dam good job being on that axis of evil, I mean its like he wakes up each morning going "now how can i look more evil and insane today"

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Nor would, in my opinion, Hezbollah ever use such a device. The stakes are too high. The end result would be the permanent obliteration and occupation of the Middle East by NATO. The Israeli revenge would, furthermore, be terrible. We would not even hear about the killings because the media would not even report them.

They DONT CARE. Your thinking like a european, try thinking like an extremeist arab. Your goal is to kill Jews screw the consequences, theyd use a nuke in a heartbeat.
 



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