No one said the US military isn't a fine fighting force.
But mistakes like these must be addressed properly and punishment dealt severely to maintain that status.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

No one said the US military isn't a fine fighting force.
But mistakes like these must be addressed properly and punishment dealt severely to maintain that status.

k... will tell them that

There are no "safe" nukes. I fear that young folks entering the service for one tour may not be getting the training needed to handle, transport, and track warheads.

Originally Posted by Missileer

There are no "safe" nukes. I fear that young folks entering the service for one tour may not be getting the training needed to handle, transport, and track warheads.

What should they do to improve the situation?

Originally Posted by phoenix80

What should they do to improve the situation?

RTFM* usually helps. as other have said, if procedures had been followed by even ONE person involved in this mess, we wouldn't be having this conversation



















*....Read The ****ing Manual

So they transported nuclear weapons..... Big freaking whoop.

During the Cold War with the Soviet Union, we had Combat Air Patrols of fighters and bombers armed with nuclear weapons. US Air Force F-106 armed with nuclear genie missiles. They're purpose was to launch them into a formation of Soviet Tu-95 Bear Bombers. The Nuclear Explosion would destory the enemy bomber formation.

US Air Force B-52 were on a constant air patrol between the USA and the Soviet Union during Operations such as Chome Dome and Hard Head. There were a number of bombers wth armed and acive nuclear weapons in the air twenty four hours a day three hundred sixity five days a year.

Those were armed nuclear weapons. Even during Operation Crome Dome during the height of the Cold War, a B-52 was lost off the coast o Spain. The nuclear weapon did not go off.

They're deigned to withstand fire, collisions, impacts, etc..... That's when they're armed and ready for combat use.

The current six nuclear weapons were older cruise missiles. They were not armed. Yes, they had they're warheads in place but that's it. Not of the weapon safeties were removed, the weapon was not active nor armed.

I feel safer with nuclear weapons then I do with Chemical or Biological weapons. To trigger a nuclear weaponm you need a lot of events to occur. But for a chemical or biological to go off, something as simple as a car crsh can do it.

The whole issue over the transport was the disregard for USAF SOPs and Rules and Regs. This is a command staff issue of not filling out proper paper work and getting the higher ups to approve.

How in the frak do you tink nukes are moved? US Postal Service? US Military Forces transport and carry nuclear weapons all the time.

The USA has both strategic nuclear weapons and tactical nuclear weapons. Strategic nukes are ICBM, B-52s, and SSBN Bommers. Tactical Nukes are cruise missiles, land mimes (yup, nuclear land mines), Theater size rockets, fighter-bomber aircraft, etc....

I cannot believe that people are freaking out over this.... Im more woried about Russia remaking herself into a new version of the Sviet Union with Putin in charge and Iran, People's Republic of China, and North Korea.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

So they transported nuclear weapons..... Big freaking whoop.

During the Cold War with the Soviet Union, we had Combat Air Patrols of fighters and bombers armed with nuclear weapons. US Air Force F-106 armed with nuclear genie missiles. They're purpose was to launch them into a formation of Soviet Tu-95 Bear Bombers. The Nuclear Explosion would destory the enemy bomber formation.

US Air Force B-52 were on a constant air patrol between the USA and the Soviet Union during Operations such as Chome Dome and Hard Head. There were a number of bombers wth armed and acive nuclear weapons in the air twenty four hours a day three hundred sixity five days a year.

Those were armed nuclear weapons. Even during Operation Crome Dome during the height of the Cold War, a B-52 was lost off the coast o Spain. The nuclear weapon did not go off.

They're deigned to withstand fire, collisions, impacts, etc..... That's when they're armed and ready for combat use.

The current six nuclear weapons were older cruise missiles. They were not armed. Yes, they had they're warheads in place but that's it. Not of the weapon safeties were removed, the weapon was not active nor armed.

I feel safer with nuclear weapons then I do with Chemical or Biological weapons. To trigger a nuclear weaponm you need a lot of events to occur. But for a chemical or biological to go off, something as simple as a car crsh can do it.

The whole issue over the transport was the disregard for USAF SOPs and Rules and Regs. This is a command staff issue of not filling out proper paper work and getting the higher ups to approve.

How in the frak do you tink nukes are moved? US Postal Service? US Military Forces transport and carry nuclear weapons all the time.

The USA has both strategic nuclear weapons and tactical nuclear weapons. Strategic nukes are ICBM, B-52s, and SSBN Bommers. Tactical Nukes are cruise missiles, land mimes (yup, nuclear land mines), Theater size rockets, fighter-bomber aircraft, etc....

I cannot believe that people are freaking out over this.... Im more woried about Russia remaking herself into a new version of the Sviet Union with Putin in charge and Iran, People's Republic of China, and North Korea.

If you want a complete list of why this is bad, its best to refer to posts before this. Im assuming from your comments here you didnt read the posts before, but many of your questions, and contradictions to some of your assertions have already been awnsered.

556, I think we covered the fuss about this is not the danger involved in transporting nukes on external pylons on a B52 but how procedure and regulations regarding such important equipment was so easily violated at multiple levels.
If you can screw up this badly, it's not inconceivable that someone could in fact "lose" a nuclear warhead. Then the next day, Captain SoSo and Technical Sergeant Doe vanish from the face of the earth.
That's the issue here.
You're right about being harder to set off Nukes than Chemical and Biological weapons... heck this is the sort of dangers I worked with in the Marines. But that's not the point here. If such a mishap happened with Chemical or Biological weapons, my response would be exactly the same.
A complicated safety procedure was broken and in the end no one knew how it really happened. That is the issue. If those nukes were intended to be transported that way and all appropriate levels knew and it was fully intentional, then yes, it wouldn't be an incident at all. But that's not the case.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

So they transported nuclear weapons..... Big freaking whoop.

During the Cold War with the Soviet Union, we had Combat Air Patrols of fighters and bombers armed with nuclear weapons. US Air Force F-106 armed with nuclear genie missiles. They're purpose was to launch them into a formation of Soviet Tu-95 Bear Bombers. The Nuclear Explosion would destory the enemy bomber formation.

US Air Force B-52 were on a constant air patrol between the USA and the Soviet Union during Operations such as Chome Dome and Hard Head. There were a number of bombers wth armed and acive nuclear weapons in the air twenty four hours a day three hundred sixity five days a year.

Those were armed nuclear weapons. Even during Operation Crome Dome during the height of the Cold War, a B-52 was lost off the coast o Spain. The nuclear weapon did not go off.

They're deigned to withstand fire, collisions, impacts, etc..... That's when they're armed and ready for combat use.

The current six nuclear weapons were older cruise missiles. They were not armed. Yes, they had they're warheads in place but that's it. Not of the weapon safeties were removed, the weapon was not active nor armed.

I feel safer with nuclear weapons then I do with Chemical or Biological weapons. To trigger a nuclear weaponm you need a lot of events to occur. But for a chemical or biological to go off, something as simple as a car crsh can do it.

The whole issue over the transport was the disregard for USAF SOPs and Rules and Regs. This is a command staff issue of not filling out proper paper work and getting the higher ups to approve.

How in the frak do you tink nukes are moved? US Postal Service? US Military Forces transport and carry nuclear weapons all the time.

The USA has both strategic nuclear weapons and tactical nuclear weapons. Strategic nukes are ICBM, B-52s, and SSBN Bommers. Tactical Nukes are cruise missiles, land mimes (yup, nuclear land mines), Theater size rockets, fighter-bomber aircraft, etc....

I cannot believe that people are freaking out over this.... Im more woried about Russia remaking herself into a new version of the Sviet Union with Putin in charge and Iran, People's Republic of China, and North Korea.

I've seen a Nuclear Bazooka, a Nuclear Torpedo, a Suitcase Nuke, and a Backpack Nuke..... as well as the others, I've yet to know (before this last event) of the United States of America misplacing 6 Nuclear Weapons.

Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm

So they transported nuclear weapons..... Big freaking whoop.

During the Cold War with the Soviet Union, we had Combat Air Patrols of fighters and bombers armed with nuclear weapons. US Air Force F-106 armed with nuclear genie missiles. They're purpose was to launch them into a formation of Soviet Tu-95 Bear Bombers. The Nuclear Explosion would destory the enemy bomber formation.

US Air Force B-52 were on a constant air patrol between the USA and the Soviet Union during Operations such as Chome Dome and Hard Head. There were a number of bombers wth armed and acive nuclear weapons in the air twenty four hours a day three hundred sixity five days a year.

Those were armed nuclear weapons. Even during Operation Crome Dome during the height of the Cold War, a B-52 was lost off the coast o Spain. The nuclear weapon did not go off.

They're deigned to withstand fire, collisions, impacts, etc..... That's when they're armed and ready for combat use.

The current six nuclear weapons were older cruise missiles. They were not armed. Yes, they had they're warheads in place but that's it. Not of the weapon safeties were removed, the weapon was not active nor armed.

I feel safer with nuclear weapons then I do with Chemical or Biological weapons. To trigger a nuclear weaponm you need a lot of events to occur. But for a chemical or biological to go off, something as simple as a car crsh can do it.

The whole issue over the transport was the disregard for USAF SOPs and Rules and Regs. This is a command staff issue of not filling out proper paper work and getting the higher ups to approve.

How in the frak do you tink nukes are moved? US Postal Service? US Military Forces transport and carry nuclear weapons all the time.

The USA has both strategic nuclear weapons and tactical nuclear weapons. Strategic nukes are ICBM, B-52s, and SSBN Bommers. Tactical Nukes are cruise missiles, land mimes (yup, nuclear land mines), Theater size rockets, fighter-bomber aircraft, etc....

I cannot believe that people are freaking out over this.... Im more woried about Russia remaking herself into a new version of the Sviet Union with Putin in charge and Iran, People's Republic of China, and North Korea.

Well-said as always!