About Admiral Canaris, influence on WW2?
|June 12th, 2008||#1|
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Admiral Canaris, influence on WW2? info
Here is a short summary of his later career
Admiral Canaris was appointed to head the Abwehr Military Intelligence in 1938. The spymaster had eyes and ears everywhere, and he had files full of damaging evidence against the leading Nazis, among them Heydrich and Himmler that made them afraid to cross him. Canaris intervened to save a number of victims of Nazi persecution, including hundreds of Jews. Canaris was directly involved in the 1938 and 1939 coup attempts on Hitler and helped the Allies while supervising all German espionage and counterespionage. He was eventually arrested, brutally treated and hanged a few weeks before the war ended.
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Last edited by perseus; June 12th, 2008 at 17:53..
|June 18th, 2008||#2|
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Obviously not much then!
|June 18th, 2008||#3|
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Oddly enough I would love to discuss Admiral Canaris but I don't know a damn thing about him and worst of all I can't find anything concrete about him either.
The problem I have with accepting these points is that while it may mean that Canaris was a closet double agent or "anti-nazi" it also means that the entire Abwehr were completely incompetent and that in itself is probably worth discussing because the failings of German intelligence cost Germany dearly.
We are more often treacherous through weakness than through calculation. ~Francois De La Rochefoucauld
|June 19th, 2008||#4|
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The Abwehr must have known about the security activities on the Eastern front and concentration camps. Given that they would have been typically intelligent people, perhaps less inclined to be indoctrinated with Nazi ideology might this have simply disillusioned them, propelling them into lethargy rather than sabotage? This may have been their best option given that they must also have been aware of the military problems and the massive forces accumulating against them.
Perhaps I'm painting an over optimistic and all too rational image of human behaviour here.
|June 19th, 2008||#5|
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Think about it like this, there you are goose stepping about on your daily business and everything you do gets torpedoed by the management do you:
A) Shrug and collect you pay check.
B) Go to the management and find out whats going on.
C) Start with option B and then realise that a quick word to your friendly neighhood Gestapo officer will get you a step up the ladder and a few more Reichmarks a week.
Dont mis-understand me though Admiral Canaris could well have done all you have said I honestly don't know as I don't know anything about the guy and you have sparked an interest so I will no doubt start hunting down information on him and his department. I had hoped that someone else would responded as it is an interesting subject.
So while I still believe German Military Intelligence during WW2 was almost a complete failure I am not yet ready to attribute that failure to Canaris without a bit more information.
Last edited by MontyB; June 19th, 2008 at 07:54..
|June 20th, 2008||#6|
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The fact that he managed to survive while Hitler was in power speaks volumes on him keeping a low profile. Many of the Hitlers advisers suddenly found that they had been secretly helping the allied cause after they had been captured and put on trial. Now being a cyncial old so and so I would like to much more confirmation of what he said he did.
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|June 21st, 2008||#7|
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|March 31st, 2011||#8|
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Canaris and the holocaust info
I have recently found a declassified WW2 document located in the British National Archives that provides information about Canaris and how he ran the Abwehr. The document is a British intelligence translation of an Abwehr paper found in Belgium. The document relates to an Abwehr officers conference in Belgium on December 10th 1941. It was translated by Britsh intelligence (probably MI6) on 18th December 1941. The paper was clearly the text of a "pep talk" given by the Admiral Canaris to his officers in Belgium. The most interesting part is Paragraph 5.
"Abwehr has nothing to do with persecution of Jews. The Ast's duties are to be carried out in a humane and soldierly manner. Activity against Jews is no concern of ours. We have nothing to do with it, hold ourselves aloof from it, do not criticise".
The rest of the document covers the general standards of operation and personal behaviour his officers should follow. The N.A. file number is HW 19/347. I have placed a pdf of the paper here - http://cdmnet.org/technology/RSS/Abwehr-doc-1941.pdf
Last edited by Batford; March 31st, 2011 at 22:27..