April 1st, 2004  
Redneck
Buttercup
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christos
Oh, please, stop it. So you're telling me that the Asia Minor coast should be returned to Greece because that is where Greek civilization began, or that the Pontus be returned to its respective inhabitants, being the Greeks and the Armenians? Should Quebec be returned to France, should Louisiana for that matter be returned to its rightful French owners, given the terrible oppression of the Cajun (Acadian) population of Louisiana by the WASP American RACIST government? Should all Caucasians return to the Caucasus? You are talking out of your ass, and when the word "homeland" comes into discussion, you are totally ignoring the historic and political realities of the past 2000 years. In fact, the Palestinian territory of the Ottoman empire in 1914 was comprised of 620 000 Palestinian Arabs as compared to 80 000 Jews. From then on, the amount of Jews only rised, thanks to the Ottoman empire's non-hostility towards Jewish colonization of Palestine (brought about by European pressures on the Ottoman government but also the greed of Turks as I'll mention later), but mainly the fierce determination of Zionist racists to turn a non-Jewish land into a new state that would totally ignore all other ethnicities. One of the main four points of Zionism was the "inexistence of any other people who would hold rights" (this is fact). Once in Palestine, the Jewish colonizers bought great lands from the Turks and expulsed poor Arab peasants from the land. Already the economic division between Jews and Arabs grows, which could explain the great disparity of today (after all, Jewish colonizers of Palestine brought great wealth from Europe, which is why the Turks preferred them over the Arabs). But back to the main point, which is that Palestine was never Jewish, at least not in contemporary, historically-recorded, non-biblical times, and calling Palestine "Hebrew homeland" is a perfect case of looking at only one side of the story and ignoring the historic Arab presence in Palestine.
Curb your tone and your language.

I said that Israel as we know it today is WHERE it is today (location-wise) because that is where it originally was. There were of course Palestinians in the area when it was redesignated Israel following the war, but was there a nation of Palestinians there? No, there was not, it was a collection of nomadic peoples, and while they may have had a historic claim to the land, the Hebrews had a historic claim to the COUNTRY. As I was not present at the making of any of the decisions that led to the formation of the new Israel, I cannot make a statement of reality about what did or did not specifically go into the making of those decisions (nor can you, chief). However, the stated reasons, as I have heard them and as I believe could justifiably go into those decisions, are as I laid out. Of course those are not all the factors involved, but they are the pertenant ones to my argument.
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