Topic: 17 september 1939

Panzercracker · June 8th, 2010

Kenny thats absolute rubbish, stop insulting us using wikipedia as your major resource.

Lets recap.

German losses against Belgium, Netherlands, BEF, French Army.

45.000 K.I.A
German losses in Poland

24.000 K.I.A

Add to this at least 6.000 Russians and suddenly we discover that Polish army alone against twice its numerical superiority inflicted 2/3rds casualities of the combined Western Armies who outnumbered the Germans in most fields.

Now to tanks.

Irrevokably lost in 1940 campaign:

836 tanks.

Irrevokably lost in Polish campaign.

416 (+100~ Soviet tanks.)

So here the patterns repeats itself, Poles destroy 2/3rds of the hardware that all western forces managed to destroy between them.

Obstlt. Eberbacha - "Sturmfahrt auf Warschau" i "Die Vernichtungsschlacht an der Bzura"

- Thomas Jentz, "Panzertruppen - The Complete Guide to the Creation & Combat Employment of Germany's Tank Force: 1933 - 1942

- Christoph Avender, "World War II day by day" - "Daily reports" and "Gliederungen"

Want me to upload scans of German reports of losses from the initial phase of Bzura? Thats over 5000 K.I.A and M.I.A in three days.

The 24.000 number is almost ceirtanly lowered since Germans retro-counted people dead in accidents, ilness or those who died from wounds after the campaign.

We can agree that the number of wounded that numbered around 48.000 was significantly lower than those in the West but if Poland was such a weak state and if the campaign of 1939 was such a cakewalk then why did Poland manage to inflict 2/3 losses of K.I.A and destroyed equipment of all the losses inflicted by BEF, Low Countries and France?

Something does not compute in my book, a weak country thats attacked from two sides shouldnt be able to do that.

Also why did said weak country manage to launch a semi-succesfull counter-offensive with 250.000 men that managed to tie 500.000 Germans while Franco-British forces were unable to launch any action beyond brigade level and all of them unsuccesfull?

Heck the very first battle in 1939, the battle of Mokra was victorious for the Poles, a grand total of 3 German divisions, one of them armored got bitchslapped by a cavalry brigade, three infantry battalions and 2 armored trains!

Yet today we learn how France was conquered in a month but Poland in a week! (last major battle in Poland lasted till October 5th).

If that doesnt smell of bullsh*t and historical lies to you i dont know what does.

June 8th, 2010
Panzercracker	Kenny thats absolute rubbish, stop insulting us using wikipedia as your major resource. Lets recap. German losses against Belgium, Netherlands, BEF, French Army. 45.000 K.I.A German losses in Poland 24.000 K.I.A Add to this at least 6.000 Russians and suddenly we discover that Polish army alone against twice its numerical superiority inflicted 2/3rds casualities of the combined Western Armies who outnumbered the Germans in most fields. Now to tanks. Irrevokably lost in 1940 campaign: 836 tanks. Irrevokably lost in Polish campaign. 416 (+100~ Soviet tanks.) So here the patterns repeats itself, Poles destroy 2/3rds of the hardware that *all western forces managed to destroy between them.* Obstlt. Eberbacha - "Sturmfahrt auf Warschau" i "Die Vernichtungsschlacht an der Bzura" - Thomas Jentz, "Panzertruppen - The Complete Guide to the Creation & Combat Employment of Germany's Tank Force: 1933 - 1942 - Christoph Avender, "World War II day by day" - "Daily reports" and "Gliederungen" Want me to upload scans of German reports of losses from the initial phase of Bzura? Thats over 5000 K.I.A and M.I.A in three days. The 24.000 number is almost ceirtanly lowered since Germans retro-counted people dead in accidents, ilness or those who died from wounds after the campaign. We can agree that the number of wounded that numbered around 48.000 was significantly lower than those in the West but if Poland was such a weak state and if the campaign of 1939 was such a cakewalk then why did Poland manage to inflict 2/3 losses of K.I.A and destroyed equipment of all the losses inflicted by BEF, Low Countries and France? Something does not compute in my book, a weak country thats attacked from two sides shouldnt be able to do that. Also why did said weak country manage to launch a semi-succesfull counter-offensive with 250.000 men that managed to tie 500.000 Germans while Franco-British forces were unable to launch any action beyond brigade level and all of them unsuccesfull? Heck the very first battle in 1939, the battle of Mokra was victorious for the Poles, a grand total of 3 German divisions, one of them armored got bitchslapped by a cavalry brigade, three infantry battalions and 2 armored trains! Yet today we learn how France was conquered in a month but Poland in a week! (last major battle in Poland lasted till October 5th). If that doesnt smell of bullsh*t and historical lies to you i dont know what does.