Originally Posted by Panzercracker

No, they declared war and did absolutely nothing beyond declaring war, thats outright focking treason.

That sir is a lie, normally in case of a moron like lldjaw i'd say its a mistake but you're smart enough to say you're lying.

Lets be done with blanket statements, Germany had roughly 2900 tanks, 1100 armored and recon cars and about 2.4 milion men worth of active troops.

Germany attacked Poland with 1.8 milion men, 2700 tanks and 1000 armored cars as well as 10.000 artillery pieces.

In the West Germany had roughly 350.000-370.000 men with about 300 artillery pieces, 30-50 pz Is and an unknown number of armored cars (not exceeding 100).

We can run the sources and do the add/subbstract game and the end effect will still be the same, virtually 100% of effective german forces were in Poland, the 350.000 men in the west had between them a brigade worth of heavy equipment and there were no reserves.

Since 2 fast divisions had armored cars instead of tanks and allies outnumbered Germans in trucks and artillery, regular soldiers were equipped the same as their Polish or French counterparts.

In 1939 everything that could drive, run or walk and shoot was in Poland, there were no "millions" of men, there were just about 2 milion men and the name of the game was shortage, Germany didnt have enough tanks, trucks, guns which is why all of the active hardware was in Poland and none if it in the West let alone in reserve.

Please tell me you're f*cking with me? Those couple of thousands of Germans in the Condor Legion are supposed to count for what?

Without a shot.

Land your army in France, roll over the pathetic militias defending the Western border of Germany, do not betray Poland in Abbeville and put pressure on the French to move with you, yeah there were ways but they required actually fighting instead of declaring war and meeting with France over tea and crumpets deciding arbitraly that Poland has fallen.

Nope, you declared war and did nothing, going to war involves actuall fighting and beyond a few token actions absolutely meaningless for the war effort neither UK nor France did anything.

You were not in the position to do that, Churchill was smart enough to know that despite Hitlers sympathetic outlook towards UK once Europe gets bent over there's no way Germany would allow independent power like UK at its doorstep.

The difference between Germany of 1939 and Germany of 1944 is gigantic, Germany of 1943 or 44 is Germany thats economically many times larger then it was in 1939, 39 was the only time when Germans did not have effective reserves on a strategic level or any chance to shift troops.

This is another reason why Polish war effort is skimmed over, betraying Poland the West (UK and France) rewrote their history completely ignoring the fact that Poles completely tied the Wehrmacht, this made the franco-british treason at Abbeville seem logical.

Of course you could, instead of issuing blanket statements tell us why did Germans have only 200 guns to oppose the French at Ruhr, why werent there any armored or mechanized reserves in Germany? Where were the units Germans could shift to face the Anglo-French invasion if it happened?

Germany 1939, no reserves, 100% forces tied in combat for 3 weeks, 20% of their motorised forces destroyed or inoperational by the second week and militias defending their western border, those are the facts that no amount of your blanket statements can shift or change, the only thing that was lacking was guts and honour by French and British.

Also Lee could you explain to us the phenomenon of Abbeville? On 12th of September Brits and French meet in Abbeville and decide not to help Poland on the grounds that it has lost the war already.

At the same time French inform the Poles that they are attacking and Germans are withdrawing their forces to meet the french threat.

So thats treason of Poland by both UK and France right there.

At the same time Poland which supposedly already lost the war launches the offensive that will become the battle of Bzura, from 9 to 22 September 250.000 Poles tie 500.000 Germans along with entire German armored, mechanized and airforce elements.

Polish army is succesfull throught the initial 7 days of the battle, from 9 to 16th Sept.

So not only did UK and France betray Poland and decided Poland has lost while polish troops were massacring 5 german infantry divisions, not only did they lie to Poles so Poles pushed their offensive well past their offensive capacity, the French and Brits fully aware of the opportunity Poles created still decided to sit it out.

Stop issuing blanket statements Lee and argue with facts, Britian and France betrayed Poland in a bloody fugly fashion, period.