Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
All I have to say is although many of us here are sympathetic towards Israel for many other reasons, the evidence against Israel in terms of "rights to the land" seems to be bordering on overwhelming.
There's been a lot of other things that I've had to change views on in light of new evidence... this would be one of them. Every time it happens it's difficult to accept but somewhere along the line you just have to admit that you may have been wrong and see what is closer to the actual situation.
It doesn't matter so much that the Palestinian nationality was created as a reaction to the creation of Israel. Most of the Arabs I've met who weren't from North Africa didn't seem to care particularly as to which Arab country they were from. I had this one friend from Bahrain who told me that the Bahraini military is manned significantly (if not mostly) by non Bahrainis. Not surprising considering how small the country is. He never considered the non Bahraini Arabs serving in the military there as mercenaries. He said they're just Arabs helping defend other Arabs.
May explain why the Arabs in Palestine didn't have much of a sense of nationalism until they had a common problem in their hands.
Do I want Jews to vacate Israel ASAP? No.
But I think to reach a common understanding about the situation is a step in the right direction for both parties.
I think if Israelis could understand this point we would be a hell of a lot further along the path to some level of peace in the Middle East however they are still trying to emulate European powers and negotiate from a position of power without actually understanding that the more power they try and exert the less anyone wants to negotiate.
The key to the Middle East is not about destroying Israel it is about reaching a compromise that ALL parties can accept and that means Israel has to understand that they are seen as invaders and no one is buying the "Promised Land" line and Palestinians are going to have to accept that Israel is always going to be there in one form or another.