It's the same thing with explosions the energy and pressue wave rarely kills people

Cheap AP mines mainly use the blast effect and they don't need any shrapnel to make the wound look really NASTY!

Originally Posted by RnderSafe

lol Blast lung is the most common fatal injury among initial survivors. Secondary injuries are very common, and do often kill .. however, primary and tertiary (result of the blast wind) kill quite often as well.

Hmm, I read that shrapnel is the main killer but I realize the pressure wave does a number of your lungs, but this is from a big explosion, not a bullet. Doesn't it take rather large explosions, (AP mines like you said) to kill with the pressure wave, while hand grenades don't kill with the pressure wave.

Never had any experience with the human side of this, but I do know from personal experience that you can kill ground squirrels, etc. with a high power rifle if they are against/on top of a solid object such as a fencepost by shooting next to/below them, the concussion of the impact kills the critter without splattering it.

pretty much anything that kills, wounds, hurts or anything like that can be considered inhumane now a days, all thanks to "normal" people that shaped our society.

I remember a specific trainig on Mines where pixs were shown on the effect on a body of booby trapped AT mines turned into AP mines...Just think of your stepping on 14 pounds of HE!

Even a hard punch will knock a man down, if he is not braced for it, (like say when he's running cover to cover). As for the power to the shooter. The transfer of power to the shooter depends largely on the Firing mechanism, a bolt action, and a semi auto do NOT have the same kick with the same round.

All that said.....I really think the whole word "humane" has no bearings on ballistics. The purpose of a round is to kill the enemy before he kills you, it is not supposed to be friendly. At least a bullet that deforms or fragments is less likely to kill people ten houses down from where your target was.

I really hate the concept of politically correct arsenals on anything short of WMD.

No what their hoping you'll do is walk up to the enemy and say "excuse me, but do you mind if i were to kill you and some of your freinds?"

What bullet isnt?

PC really pisses a lot of people off, especially me.

wow the 5.56mm round inhumane lol guess I shouldn't have accidently hit him with the 40mm then (joking) . 5.56 is about humane thus the reason it takes 3 people away from the battle instead of just killing you. next thing you know some swedish commision will have us out on a battlefield with pellet guns and still say we are being inhumane. I say screw what they have to say.