Topic: Iraq War, please state facts with references

Doc.S · September 28th, 2004

I can give you my 2 cents unfortunatly the links I have used is all on swedish or from the swe news. To be honest I think that state terrorism has just changed to be street terrorism. And that this war west can´t won. No one could believe that the U.K would still have troops in Dublin Irland 25 years after they had march in to stop the war there. I also think that we in the west are just to civilized to fight this kind of war. Civilized in that perspective that the west and the middle east has totaly different ways to deal with human life. Well I do not say that west have been any angels.

We all have done our big F.U.B.A.R s so there are no reason to make one side the good guys and the other bad guys. When I read on this post that Saddam Hussein didn´t listen to UN. "What a supprise!" Well he didnt listen to the UN but he didnt have to many fanatics walking on the streets kiddnapping people and cut there heads of either. He did though use so called state terorrism on his own people. Today Iraq is runned by different street gangs with RPKs and RPG and AK47s. They are far from only Iraqis it is an international terror network that are dealing with the war in Iraq. As an Iraqi man shouted on TV.

Why are they shooting at us!? What have we done?. And then he spooked about both terrorists and the US military. I think the whole war is a mess. This is a Reaction, Problem, Soulution that have gone wrong. To change a country as Iraq and other middle east countrys you can`t do as the UN, EU, US with allies have done from the first time. This sanctions against Iraq did buy US with allies a quick victory on the battlefield but the same time the whole Iraq nation was a big mess. No water? No medical? No schools?

Why a man can ask himself. I point at the real war criminals directly and that is the UN. And that goes for every war criminal in that Haag court to. I dont find it to hard to see why people becomes terrorists today. But it is seldom and that I want to tell you, the leaders fault. It is we the west that tries to clean up something that the leaders we have voiting in to power has built up in the first place. It is not the arabs fault that they are fighting for there homes today. It is not the african peoples fault that they are killing eachother. It is this damn UN and EU and WTO and other *******s to be honest that have made this happend.

So the real war criminals are still in power and the small puppets are the ones that get the crimes in there faces. I think this war and every war from the great war to days date is a big F.U.B.A.R cause the leaders that made WW1 stop are the same that built up the grounds for WW2 and after that the UN have done a hell of a work making this world falling appart with there so called programs. I have learend that every game has its own set of rules. But in most of the games both teams have to fall under the same treatment. I find no such rules in this new war.

I find no honor in the way west have treated those countrys in first place that in fact have made them to what they are today. Want to fixe something? Take the UN to Haag and take all the leaders that have made this possible to Haag. Do as they did with Adolf Hitlers right hands. Make them shake of fear in those seats. Make them see what they have done to the world. Make justice for all people! Not only for a ruling elite. And you will see that arabs and terrorists and all other renegading countrys will give us the same respect as they use to show us. This is only my two cents. To play a game.

The same set of rules and respect for different nations cultures, laws and domestic problems that every different nation as I see it should solve on there own hand, and that is regardless to what we think. Cause I think there is as in the nature a natural cycle that we fortunately have disturb when we are still playing cowboys and indians. Our way of thinking is in my eyes the best way to deal with human rights issues and so on. But that is not an unversal thought and thats why I think that it is good with boarders and it is healthy with different points of views. If people dont like the way things are runned in there countrys.

Well let them fight for that as we did. Dont play heros and make all of us enemys because we think we are the best. Let people begin to think for themselfe and dont play dad an mom with peoples minds. If we are going to visit those nations or have profit from there oil or opium or what it can be. Then we just have to accept that they have their rules and we have our rules. Accept them or dont deal with them. This is my 2 cents for this topic. With respect towards soldiers on both sides in this devostating conflict.

Thanks for the word:
Doc.S

September 28th, 2004
Doc.S Centurion	I can give you my 2 cents unfortunatly the links I have used is all on swedish or from the swe news. To be honest I think that state terrorism has just changed to be street terrorism. And that this war west can´t won. No one could believe that the U.K would still have troops in Dublin Irland 25 years after they had march in to stop the war there. I also think that we in the west are just to civilized to fight this kind of war. Civilized in that perspective that the west and the middle east has totaly different ways to deal with human life. Well I do not say that west have been any angels. We all have done our big F.U.B.A.R s so there are no reason to make one side the good guys and the other bad guys. When I read on this post that Saddam Hussein didn´t listen to UN. "What a supprise!" Well he didnt listen to the UN but he didnt have to many fanatics walking on the streets kiddnapping people and cut there heads of either. He did though use so called state terorrism on his own people. Today Iraq is runned by different street gangs with RPKs and RPG and AK47s. They are far from only Iraqis it is an international terror network that are dealing with the war in Iraq. As an Iraqi man shouted on TV. Why are they shooting at us!? What have we done?. And then he spooked about both terrorists and the US military. I think the whole war is a mess. This is a Reaction, Problem, Soulution that have gone wrong. To change a country as Iraq and other middle east countrys you can`t do as the UN, EU, US with allies have done from the first time. This sanctions against Iraq did buy US with allies a quick victory on the battlefield but the same time the whole Iraq nation was a big mess. No water? No medical? No schools? Why a man can ask himself. I point at the real war criminals directly and that is the UN. And that goes for every war criminal in that Haag court to. I dont find it to hard to see why people becomes terrorists today. But it is seldom and that I want to tell you, the leaders fault. It is we the west that tries to clean up something that the leaders we have voiting in to power has built up in the first place. It is not the arabs fault that they are fighting for there homes today. It is not the african peoples fault that they are killing eachother. It is this damn UN and EU and WTO and other *****s to be honest that have made this happend. So the real war criminals are still in power and the small puppets are the ones that get the crimes in there faces. I think this war and every war from the great war to days date is a big F.U.B.A.R cause the leaders that made WW1 stop are the same that built up the grounds for WW2 and after that the UN have done a hell of a work making this world falling appart with there so called programs. I have learend that every game has its own set of rules. But in most of the games both teams have to fall under the same treatment. I find no such rules in this new war. I find no honor in the way west have treated those countrys in first place that in fact have made them to what they are today. Want to fixe something? Take the UN to Haag and take all the leaders that have made this possible to Haag. Do as they did with Adolf Hitlers right hands. Make them shake of fear in those seats. Make them see what they have done to the world. Make justice for all people! Not only for a ruling elite. And you will see that arabs and terrorists and all other renegading countrys will give us the same respect as they use to show us. This is only my two cents. To play a game. The same set of rules and respect for different nations cultures, laws and domestic problems that every different nation as I see it should solve on there own hand, and that is regardless to what we think. Cause I think there is as in the nature a natural cycle that we fortunately have disturb when we are still playing cowboys and indians. Our way of thinking is in my eyes the best way to deal with human rights issues and so on. But that is not an unversal thought and thats why I think that it is good with boarders and it is healthy with different points of views. If people dont like the way things are runned in there countrys. Well let them fight for that as we did. Dont play heros and make all of us enemys because we think we are the best. Let people begin to think for themselfe and dont play dad an mom with peoples minds. If we are going to visit those nations or have profit from there oil or opium or what it can be. Then we just have to accept that they have their rules and we have our rules. Accept them or dont deal with them. This is my 2 cents for this topic. With respect towards soldiers on both sides in this devostating conflict. Thanks for the word: Doc.S __________________ Col. Meyers: What\'s your assessment of this situation, Gunny? Highway: It\'s a cluster **, sir. Marines shouldn\'t be sitting on their sorry asses filling out requisitions for equipment they should already have. Col. Meyers: An astute observation. -Heartbreak Ridge-