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May 2nd, 2008  
perseus
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DelBoy

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Originally Posted by Del Boy
They seem to have done a damn good job so far.
Authorities often do after the event, but what about prevention in the first place given all the signs and warnings? Whether the West are doing a 'good job' internationally by creating hatred in Muslim communities is more open to debate

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Originally Posted by Del Boy
In Britain I am not referring to security measures designed to protect us. The intrusion here is all to do with finding new tax ways to screw the people, to pluck the golden goose even more, to impose authority and compulsion to a degree where so many see their freedoms slipping away.
Having been caught on speed cameras twice when not intentionally speeding I have some sympathy for this view, but perhaps I might feel differently if I wasn't a driver and the mother of a child. Tax infringements are again a double edged sword, are you not in favour of the surveillance of drug pushers, muggers, burglars, deliberate tax avoidance and benefit cheats, since this potentially reduces the pressure to increase taxes and reduces crime for law abiding people? Perhaps a camera has prevented you getting robbed, you will never know.

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Originally Posted by Del Boy
At the same time, our streets are less and less safe. It seems to me that America's issues are ones of security, and that is how it should be, surely?
If we take London as an area with high surveillance
  • Almost all crime categories (except Trident gun crime) are showing decreases with total notifiable offences as a whole under 900,000 for the first time in the last 10 years.
  • The overall sanction detection rate stands at 25%, above the MPA target of 24% and 4% up on the previous year.
  • Robberies have not been this low since 2000/01 and have declined by almost 20% since 2006/07 (but business robbery has increased slightly).
  • Gun enabled crime is now the lowest since 2000/0 although the MPA 5% reduction target has been missed.
  • Residential burglary offences are down slightly on last year and at their lowest level since 1998/99.
Of course we could argue these figures are only reported crime but
perceived crime for the UK as a whole seems to be level or dropping

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6905769.stm
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Last edited by perseus; May 2nd, 2008 at 08:03.
 
 
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