Originally Posted by perseus
Depends to what group you belong to in America, although being white Caucasian doesn't provide immunity from intrusion.
helicopter surveillance over homes and property, road blocks, curfews on young people in cities, CIA/FBI refuse to release documents to defend clients in state courts, FBI peeking at domestic correspondence, being stopped on highways for being black or Hispanic subject to strip searches, immigration holding children in prison conditions for months without informing them of rights, private cooperations recording employees phone calls, voice mail, computer files, email, logs of websites, videotaping them at work, observing them in bathrooms and locker rooms, tracking using bugging. FBI asking librarians to report on books taken out by patrons with foreign sounding names, rejection for housing and employment because of race, appalling conditions in prisons (no need to go to Abu Ghraib, all this happens in US prisons). I've given up on the list this is only about a third. Of course some of this is the case in the UK as well.
Seems to me your freedom is an illusion, but providing the majority feel that way and vote accordingly, the rest can go to hell.
But we have to bear in mind that America is in a war situation against enemies sworn to destroy. Always remember the victims ON the Sep 11 planes, as well as those throwing themselves from the top of the towers. That demonstrates how much your human rights mean to those swines. And take into account also that the American government is charged specifically with protecting you. They seem to have done a damn good job so far.
In Britain I am not referring to security measures designed to protect us. The intrusion here is all to do with finding new tax ways to screw the people, to pluck the golden goose even more, to impose authority and compulsion to a degree where so many see their freedoms slipping away.
At the same time, our streets are less and less safe. It seems to me that America's issues are ones of security, and that is how it should be, surely?
And as for your last line Perseus - That's democracy at work, ain't it?