March 15th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Del Boy This claim is unjustified. To what bid do you refer? He cannot hold onto power, he is surely simply doing his best to do his duty on his watch, and that is the most that can be asked of anyone, | The bid engineered by the NeoCons who realised that they had to create a need to keep GW in power. Quote: |
as Patton tells us .Anyone fancy a walk in his shoes?
| Could you please tell me where this saying is attributed to Patton, as I have just Googled the saying and the word Patton and can find no reference? Quote: |
The casualties are the responsibilty of those who made the call to attack America, and their hordes who applauded.
| Well why is it that the US now admits and has done for years, that there is no provable link between Iraq and the events of 9/11. No,... it is the responsibility of those who thought up such marvellous things as WMD and "Your are either with us or against us". Who tried to tell the US public that this war would be short and sweet like the Kuwait affair. Who then "waded in" with no viable plan for the future. Quote: |
"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want". -Sherman.
| I seem to remember that it was the coalition who chose to go to war. 9/11 was a criminal/terrorist act and was not orchestrated by any sovereign country or recognised power.. It was not an act of "war". Al Quaeda is a criminal group nothing else. ( Arabic: القاعدة al-qāʕida, translation: The Base) is an international alliance of Islamic militant terrorist organizations founded in 1988. Quote: |
Originally Posted by MontyB Not that this is any surprise but I agree with Spike although I am not sure I agree that the West as a whole has lost its "moral high ground" as much of the West has long since distanced itself from the torture process. | I feel that "The West" was always against most of the methods used, Torture, The use of Guantanamo Bay so that the prisoners would not come under US legal jurisdiction" the whole box and dice. However, there is an a very unfortunate but never the less true saying, "If you lay down with dogs, don't be surprised if you get fleas". It does not apply to "The West" necessarily, but it is certainly a reflection on the other members of the coalition. And all it has done, is to lessen our moral righteousness in the eyes of the world. Maintaining the moral high ground is worth more than any other singular thing in this whole affair.
Last edited by senojekips; March 15th, 2008 at 21:06.
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