February 17th, 2008
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| Tribunus Laticlavius
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Originally Posted by Doppleganger General consensus from whom, the public at large, the generals who chose to blame Hitler for anything and everything? Let's see a general consensus from people who have actually taken the time to read and study the Eastern Front and have no axe to grind. | General consensus is just that. Had I have meant his generals or any other group I would have said that.
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Only after December 1941, when Germany arguably had lost the chance to defeat Russia anyway.
| Once again you are trying to dissect the war into pieces that you can reassemble to suit your point of view, what counts is the overall cause and effect. Quote: |
This is an opinion, not a fact. Some noted historians do not share your opinion of Hitler as a military strategist, David Glantz and Robert Forczyk amonst others.
| That's a pretty miserable count against the remainder of world opinion. Where i come from world opinion counts for far more than the thoughts of a few "experts" Quote: |
What does this mean exactly? Without Hitler there was still Stalin to contend with. Without Hitler and a resurgent Germany, Stalin likely runs roughshod all over western and southern Europe. There would be no quick comeback from that scenario for Europe and I include Great Britain in that also.
| I think Supostat has answered that better than I would have bothered. You are just getting into the realm of "what if"? Quote: |
History is always evolving and so 'new' points can be made, especially when new information or data comes to light. An example of this is the opening up of the Soviet intelligence archives after the fall of communism that puts new light on battles and casualty figures from WW2. You cannot reverse history, but you can reinterpret it.
| I think that even you must agree that the information that has come to light since the war has done nothing to absolve Hitler from his part in the war or raise any possible mitigating circumstance, it has merely confirmed what we already suspected, and/or found for ourselves.
Casualty figures or signals regarding the number socks issued to the 13th Brandenburger Brigade may be interesting statistics to some, but have had no bearing on the causes or possible outcome of the war. They may have further implicated some people or units in their crimes but that's about all. In any case it's all too late to be bothering about it now.
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