Topic: The German invasion of Russia:

Kunikov · October 20th, 2007

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Originally Posted by Doppleganger

I suspect if I listed sources you'd just shoot them down and label them as more western or soviet-era propaganda. The most inaccurate claim for Sorge I've heard is 20th June instead of 22 June and surely 2 days out ahead of schedule is close enough for Stalin to at the very least start taking some prudent defensive action. Even if I was getting contradictory data from 3 different sources it would still tell me that 'something was up' and that I ought to at least prepare for the worst.

If you have some other sources that repudiate that Stalin wasn't as well-informed regarding Hitler's intentions as many believe then I'd be genuinely interested to look at them. As long as they're not in Russian as I can't read that language.

Sorge did not predict June 20th either. The closest he got was June 15. He sent a message on June 20th that said 'war is inevitable' or something to that effect. The following is a list of sources I used for my paper, not counting at least two books in Russian:

Bibliography

Axell, Albert. Stalin’s War Through The Eyes of his Commanders. Arms and Armour: London,
1997.

Barros, James and Gregor, Richard. Double Deception: Stalin, Hitler and the Invasion of
Russia. Northern Illinois University Press: DeKalb, 1995.

Broekmeyer, Marius. Stalin, the Russians, and Their War 1941-1945. The University of
Wisconsin Press: Wisconsin, 2004.

Damaskin, Igor A. Stalin I Razvedka. Moscow, 2004.

Erickson, John. The Road to Stalingrad: Stalin’s War with Germany. Yale University Press:
London, 1999.

Gorbunov, Evgenii. Skhvatka s Chyernim Drakonom. Tajnaya Vojna na Dalnyem Vostoke.
Veche, 2002.

Gorodetsky, Gabriel. Grand Delusion. Yale University Press: New Haven, 1999.

Leonard, Raymond W. Secret Soldiers of the Revolution: Soviet Military Intelligence, 1918-1933. Greenwood Press: London, 1999.

Mawdsley, Evan. Thunder in the East. Hodder Arnold: Great Britain, 2005.

Murphy, David E. What Stalin Knew: The Enigma of Barbarossa. Yale University Press: New
Haven, 2005.

Overy, Richard. Russia’s War: A History of the Soviet War Effort: 1941-1945. Penguin Books:
New York, 1997.

Petrov, Vladimir. Soviet Historians and the German Invasion “June 22 1941” University of
South Carolina Press: Columbia S.C., 1968.

Pikhalov, Igor. Velikaya Obolgannaya Voyna. Eksmo: Yauza, 2005.

Prange, Gordon W. Target Tokyo: The Story of the Sorge Spy Ring. McGraw-Hill Book
Company: New York, 1984.

Pleshakov, Constantine. Stalin’s Folly. Houghton Mifflin Company: New York, 2005.

Prudnikova, Ye. et al. Legendi GRU. Moscow, 2005.

Salisbury, Harrison E. The 900 Days: The Siege of Leningrad. Da Capo Press: New York, 1985.

Stepashin, S. V. ed., Organy Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti SSR v Velikoy Otechestvennoy
Voine. Moscow, 1995. Book 2.

Sudoplatov, Pavel and Anatoli. Special Tasks. Back Bay Books: New York, 1994.
Whymant, Robert. Stalin’s Spy. St. Martin’s Press: New York, 1996.
Yakovlev, Alexander N. ed., 1941 god. Moscow, 1998. 2 Volumes.

Ziemke, Earl F. Moscow to Stalingrad: Decision in the East. Center of Military History:
Washington, D. C., 1987.

Websites

http://nvo.ng.ru/history/2000-10-27/5_ramzay.html http://www.newlibrary.ru/read/korolkov_yurii/chelovek_dlja_kotorogo_ne_bylo_tain.html
http://www.lib.ru/MEMUARY/ZHZL/zorge.txt

Read Whymant's book "Stalin's Spy" if you want the messages he sent translated. Read Murphy to see the contradictory information coming into the GRU and NKVD from abroad. Use your common sense, and if that fails logic, to understand Stalin's and Golikov's situation, amongst others, when viewing the reports coming in.